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« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2015, 05:12:03 PM »

from disinterested_spectator on IMDb


Toward the end of The Plainsman, Gary Cooper dresses up in black and enters the bar, looking a lot like Frank when he enters the bar and tries to buy back the land from Harmonica. He even sits in the chair the way Frank does.

Then there is Harmonica’s hat, which has a little piece missing from the brim, just like the hat he wore in The Magnificent Seven (1960).

The way Frank slowly dismounts just before the climactic gunfight seems to quote Shane in the way Wilson dismounts when he and Shane size each other up outside Starrett’s house. Finally, and this may be a bit of a stretch, Cheyenne’s preference for coffee reminds me of Wilson’s similar preference in the same movie.

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« Reply #181 on: January 21, 2015, 06:40:12 AM »

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Finally, and this may be a bit of a stretch, Cheyenne’s preference for coffee reminds me of Wilson’s similar preference in the same movie.
You could say the same about Randolph Scott in Seven Men From Now; or, probably, any number of 50s Westerns. It's amazing how important coffee is in U.S. cinema throughout the period.

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« Reply #182 on: February 25, 2016, 08:10:28 AM »

Western reference in FAFDM (but I will mention it here cuz I don't know if we have an approprite thread for that):

In Texas (1941), there is a scene where William Holden is running away from people chasing him; he runs through a second-floor hotel room, there is a sheriff in the bath, and he says, "Pardon me, Sheriff!"

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« Reply #183 on: February 25, 2016, 08:20:09 AM »

Western reference in FAFDM (but I will mention it here cuz I don't know if we have an approprite thread for that):

In Texas (1941), there is a scene where William Holden is running away from people chasing him; he runs through a second-floor hotel room, there is a sheriff in the bath, and he says, "Pardon me, Sheriff!"
Hmmm, maybe we should start another thread?

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« Reply #184 on: February 25, 2016, 09:06:09 AM »

Yea I know there are more.

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« Reply #185 on: July 05, 2016, 09:03:18 PM »

Not a reference to a Western, but I've watched the OUATITW several times now, and every time Jack Elam lifelessly drops his forearm on the station master's shoulder—rather than grabbing it with his hand like anyone else would—I immediately think that's exactly what Boris Karloff did (though from behind) upon seeing Basil Rathbone for the first time in "Son of Frankenstein," a culty entry in that series. Maybe he did it in other films too as the monster, but I really remember it in SOF.

It's funny to remember that, but I guess it was kind of an iconic gesture and I don't remember seeing it done in any other films.

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« Reply #186 on: July 05, 2016, 10:19:07 PM »

You could say the same about Randolph Scott in Seven Men From Now; or, probably, any number of 50s Westerns. It's amazing how important coffee is in U.S. cinema throughout the period.

Also the Walter Brennan character in THE FAR COUNTRY, as well as, like you says, many many many others.

One interesting point RE: the SHANE comparison: Usually, when coffee is mentioned in Westerns, it's outdoors: when people are riding in the desert - a wagon train, cattle drive, sitting around campfire at night, bivouaced etc.. But the SHANE connection with OUATITW is that those are two Westerns I can think of (though I am sure there are more) where there is an emphasis on coffee INDOORS: in OUATITW, it's Cheyenne drinking it in Jill's home; in SHANE, it's Palance drinking it inside the pub.


Btw, RE: SHANE: I think that Palance drinking coffee, rather than the more typical whiskey, shows control, class, of the villain. (
(Cheyenne, like most Western gunslingers who like coffee, likes it IN ADDITIOn to whiskey; with Palance, he explicitly rejects the whiskey and aska for coffee.) Sure, there are many villains who drink. But then, when you have a villain who explicitly rejects it, where you  get the feeling it's not that he is a pussy; quite the opposite - he certainly can drink, but is smart enough not to; he knows what drink does and rejects it, that self-control - it brings a certain "class," or more importantly, a certain toughness, to the character. This guy's business is too important, he is too smart, to risk drinking and not having his head clear. In one sense, there is a certain coolness to a character who drinks; but in another way to look at it, the best villain, the toughest, is not one who is wild and lets his desires get the better of him, but one who is cool and in control. Similarly, there are movies where the protagonist gets the babes, and then you have movies like the Dollar films where the protagonist doesn't touch a babe - he is too careful to be distracted from doing what is necessary to get what is important - a fistful of dollars.

Just pointing out the two different approaches to showing a villain's toughness: Indulging his desires or controlling them. Not that either one is necessarily better. Just two different approaches. With Leone, we know that his  characters drink (although TMWNN less than others) but do not waste their time with women. At least in the Dollars films, which is Leone-created original characters; it isn't until OUATITW - Leone's homage to the AW, with characters inspired from the AW - that his characters show an interest in a woman.

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« Reply #187 on: July 26, 2016, 10:19:29 PM »

Not sure if this was ever mentioned, but perhaps Cheyenne's line at the end, asking Harmonica to go away and not watch him die, is a reference to Doc Holliday's (also played by Jason Robards) line at the end of Hour of the Gun: When Wyatt Earp (James Garner) visits Doc at the sanitarium, Doc says, "Do me a favor, will you get out of here? Come on, don't hang around."

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