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« on: February 04, 2005, 01:21:41 PM »

Yes you've guess it, no original mono soundtrack. Fruity gunshots here we come.

http://www.dvdrama.com/rw_fiche-4833-.php

You might have to open this [url] a second time if a ad appears.







Image looks a vast improvement..  FOD & FAFDM were never remastered like GBU for the 1998 release. Should be a huge leap.


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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 03:38:32 PM »

looks great

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2005, 05:54:07 AM »

Trop cool!  Time to whip out the wallet again.  It's actually good that SL only made 6 movies, it's getting expensive buying each new edition that rolls out each year.

The review doesn't give any specifics on the commentary.  Does anyone know who the commentators are yet?  Personally, I'd like to see a dual track on FOD with the Baxters and the Rojos.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2005, 02:52:50 AM »

 Cool hola amigos and well put derringdo! it's often rather difficult to trust reviewers (French, English, American...) until one sees the film for themselves. anyhoo, the date's getting closer for the last three Leone dvd releases! as General Sibley says, it's good that Leone made only six films; it does get somewhat expensive eh? (lucky I have a 'man on the inside' @ HMV - discount!)

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2005, 02:54:23 AM »

by the way, what's with the XXX on the menu screens?

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2005, 09:11:14 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2005, 12:41:13 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2005, 01:02:04 PM »

Had some time to look at the review. My french is quite laughable at times.
so bare witness & bare with me.  Grin
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After the 1998 4/3 transfer For a Few Dollars at last this is presented in 16/9.  The provision is undeniable in regards to the definition of the picture. 
The disc attains the summits, coming close to the original. And very close to the quality approached on 'Once Upon A Time in The West' of the same director (appeared on Paramount in 2003).  The detail level revealed is in fact astonishing, returning justice to the extreme wealth of the plans composed by the director.  The master for his part was restored, and especially removed numerous dusts, stain and even rare mildew tracks that were quite noticable on the 1998 edition DVD.  Of course it still remains some tracks, have some slight marks and dust, but as a whole the cleanliness leaves me admiring. 
Compression problems on 'Once Upon a Revolution' (1DVD),  and The Good The Bad And The Ugly (2DVD), and especially on the first edition of ...'For a Few Dollars More', it dosn't show itself here, and gives all them Small animated details in the backgrounds, despite the presence of five tracks audio (two Digital Dolby 5.1, two DTS 5.1 and a commentary audio). 
There where the bottom injures on the picture of this new collector resides at the level of the colors, équivalentes of course to the former edition zone 2, but losing their character "technicolor" if charming edition zone 1. Some black ones pull equally a little towards the greens, nevertheless not in flagrant manner that on the recent titles of Leone MGM DVDs. 

The framing between the two editions remains noticeable, certain plans winning a little picture on the Special Edition, and of others in while losing.

So the old transfer blazing and luminous but 4/3, dusty and not very well encoded, or new transfer 16/9 clean and crisp results but a little dull?  The preference will go according to the tastes and tolerances of each...

This is where that the whole dilemma will play itself.  The former edition proposed two tracks, English and French, to its origin format Mono.  Clear and dynamic, proposing an impeccable distribution of the sound of the less on the French track, they suffered only of small rare saturations and sifflements.  A bug anyway: the desynchronisation of sound effects on some scenes, notably the one at the Saloon at the start of the film, where the blows of fists did not match that a second after having been given.  A strange phenomenon and a little bothering. 

This new edition proposes as for her four tracks audio, remixées in 5.1 and proposed in every language in Digital Dolby 5.1 and DTS 5.1. 
Unfortunately the tracks in the original Mono have disapppeared pure and simple, this will not lack to induce the anger of the more purists. 
The new stereo mixes gives the impression that the entire film unfolds itself in a church.  In any case dubbing is bad, or less incomparble one to the quality of the French.  Worse again, listening to some scenes revealed  the Morricone gets lost in the mix (but fine of the scene of the bar for example)...

Theres another chapter on why the French dubbing isn't as good as the English.. a grumble about no DTS.. etc. etc.

The menus of the DVD remain in the tone of those of The Good The Bad And The Ugly, looks a little shrill, and lacking considerably in claret.  But the music inducing Ennio Morricone compensates these defects...  After the language choice on the  menu, the first DVD launches automatically into MGM adverts, which is a new clumsy practice!

Commentary audio of Sir Christopher Frayling: Author of the book "Something to do with death" devoted to the films of Sergio Leone, Christopher Frayling spreads out over this commentary a number of astonishing bits of information, essential for all beginners to the director.  Every scene here is detailed, he unvails the construction of the settings, the meaning many choices of the director, the homages (Vera Cruz, etc...).

A new documentry (19mns24) For the allergic ones to commentaries, here again Sir Christopher Frayling going forth with unique insites into Leone and the place of this second western in his career.  Of its conflicts with Gian Maria Voltonte, to the evocation of the theme of recurrent friendship in all the films of the director, the Leone specialist relates with a talkative passion and dropping antidotes the more revealing ones of shooting, all punctuated with extracts of the film and of photos of the feature. 

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There are more extras.. another look this weekend.

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2005, 04:13:22 PM »

thanks smoker

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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2005, 09:16:04 AM »

Picked it up today here in Norway! Strangely enough, For a Few Dollars More is the only of the SE which has been released here. It was inexpensive as well, about 12 USD.

The documentaries and featurettes from 5-10 minutes, except for the one called A New Standard, with only Frayling talking, which is about 20 minutes long. The documentary called Back For More is A retrospective talk with Clint, and Tre Voci is a retrospective talk with Alberto Grimaldi, Sergio Donati, and Mickey Knox.

The only downside is that there is no italian audio and only 5.1 and DTS tracks. Also, in typical Norwegian style, the booklet is missing.

Oh, the transfer looks gorgeous.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2005, 12:38:09 PM »

Just saw it. I'm usually not a big fan of commentary tracks, but ended up watching almost the entire film with Frayling's comments. Quite interesting, he points out were every scene is shot, and were every set was built, as well as pointing out some visual gags which I've never noticed before (The Chicken Town, for instance). Personally, I wasn't really bothered by the gunshots in GBU, but I don't think it is as big a problem here. Mind you, I didn't hear the effects that well when listening to Frayling. At one point though, he pointed out how distinctive a particular gunshot was to the Leone style, so I don't think they've messed it up.

Now I can't wait for the Fistful Of Dollars DVD, not to mention Fistful of Dynamite. I'll have to wait even longer for that one, since I won't buy the British version, with cuts made by the BBFC.

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2005, 01:30:40 PM »

but I don't think it is as big a problem here. Mind you, I didn't hear the effects that well when listening to Frayling. At one point though, he pointed out how distinctive a particular gunshot was to the Leone style, so I don't think they've messed it up.

Now thats some good news. Thanks Nobody

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2005, 05:03:14 PM »

Yes it is. There is also a featurette looking into the three scenes that were originally cut for the American release. One is the reference to Clint's name, Manco, another is the beating of Clint and Lee Van Cleef, which was shorter in the American release. The extended scenes have been put back into the film.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2005, 02:49:05 AM »

I just received my R2 version and unfortunately it isn't uncut. The beating of Mortimer and Manco is quite a bit shorter:

The featurette on disc 2 shows two versions of the scene. The longer one is about 1 min 23 seconds (depends on where you start and stop measuring it) and the original american release version is only 48 seconds. However, I have a tv-version that's 1 min 51 seconds long! This is the full uncut scene, and the two different ones shown on the featurette have both been cut.

The 1 min 51 sec version has those more violent takes like the 1:23. But it also has a lot more dialogue. In fact, there's more dialogue than on either version on the DVD. Here's the full dialogue:

Indio: Stop it!

Indio: Ninõ, you see that they're tied securely. Slim, keep an eye on them.

Groggy: Why let them live?

Indio: All things at the right time.

Groggy: What do you mean?

And then it continues with "What's he doing now, the sheriff of El Paso?"

I have the full 1:51 scene on tape. It was shown on tv a few years ago here in Finland. I have to say that I'm really dissapointed (and amazed) that MGM didn't put the uncut version of the scene on DVD.

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