The Guns

[Gwalker99]

you can get nice remakes that are even better quality than the originals for around 200-500 dollars .. if you try and get a  original pistol from the time itll cost you around 1500 all the way up to 10,000  dollars

[iceman]

BEEBS if u are gonna buy authentic guns of that era get ready to pay well over 900 dollars.

i was recently in new orleans(before KATRINA) and i went into a antique gun shop. i saw an original derringer from the period for 600 dollars! i am not even going to get into pistol and rifle prices.



youre best luck is to go for a replica.

Yeh!!!  real guns are bad they can kill people or even yourself if you stick em' in your ear and pull the trigger, so stay away from real ones. Get a nice replica and pretend..no one will know.

ICE

[HEX]

Yeh!!!  real guns are bad they can kill people or even yourself if you stick em' in your ear and pull the trigger, so stay away from real ones. Get a nice replica and pretend..no one will know.

ICE

well ICE i dont know to take that sarcastic remark as an insult or a joke.

can u clarify?

[iceman]

well ICE i dont know to take that sarcastic remark as an insult or a joke.

can u clarify?

It was a joke, but meant to get across that guns are dangerous things. We in the UK will not tolerate them, that is why no one is allowed to carry them and why we have less gun related incidents than most other countries. Following some gun related massacres they are virtually banned unless used for sport etc. I know in the USA you feel differently on the subject but I just wanted to make a point. Maybe I shouldn't have joked in another topic that I had Clints real Snake handled gun, but I was going to get round to also making a similar point. I like to talk about them and look at pictures but would never own one. Sorry for affending you.


ICE

[HEX]

It was a joke, but meant to get across that guns are dangerous things. We in the UK will not tolerate them, that is why no one is allowed to carry them and why we have less gun related incidents than most other countries. Following some gun related massacres they are virtually banned unless used for sport etc. I know in the USA you feel differently on the subject but I just wanted to make a point. Maybe I shouldn't have joked in another topic that I had Clints real Snake handled gun, but I was going to get round to also making a similar point. I like to talk about them and look at pictures but would never own one. Sorry for affending you.


ICE

yeah we have a real nasty problem over here with guns.
but then again guns dont kill people, people with guns kill people.

and i am sure america is the butt of many jokes in plenty of parts in the world. do we deserve it?
i dont know? i would have to here the joke.


so how about it? anyone here got a america joke.

[Juan Miranda]

Talking about the guns (not something I know much/anything about) what's going on with Clint's fire-arm?

I think it's a Henry repeating rifle, which appeared in 1860 (?) and later won the battle of the Little Big Horn, but my question is, what's that tube mounted on the side of the rifled barrel for?



It's not there on the first two times Clint uses the same weapon to shoot Tuco free:



It can't be a sight, as Clint has his eye shut on that side of the weapon, so, what's all that about?

Cigar Joe? Harmonica?

[dave jenkins]

CJ or Harmonica are the guys to ask, definitely. While we wait for the experts to weigh in, I'll take a non-expert stab at the question. Could that tube contain the cleaning rod or other materials necessary for keeping the barrel clean?

[Juan Miranda]

Done a little bit of research on this since I posted last, and may be able to answer my own question. This rapid action weapon could fire off fifteen bullits at a time. These were housed in the barrell under the rifled barrell on the gun ( I always wondered what that was for...). With no wood stock to cover it, apparently it could get very hot, and was a minor design flaw.

Perhaps the tube is some kind of fast action loader, with a fresh round of 15 bullits in it? Haven't been able to confirm it, it's just my guess. All that weight of shot added to just one side of the top barrell would surely make accuracy a little harder though?

[cigar joe]

To tell you the truth I always thought it was a sight but you may be right about your quick loader idea or it may be just a seperate magazine for storage, also the wooden fore stock is removed on this rifle for some reason and that reason may be to balance the gun since it does have that extra magazine so the removal of the stock may accomplish that .

There was a rifle that had a cartrige box that contained tubes with cartriges and it was loaded  through the rear stock,  you just opened the hatch and tipped the contents of the tube into the magazine, the only draw back was that this rifle was a gravity feed loader so you had to lift up the barrel so the cartridge would slide down into the chamber, it wasn't a lever action gun, but I can't remember the name of it right off hand.

Just a quick note the Henry rifle basically evolved into the Winchester, it wasn't as if they were two seperate compeating companies that produced the rifles at the same time.

[Juan Miranda]

There was a rifle that had a cartrige box that contained tubes with cartriges and it was loaded  through the rear stock

Was it the Spencer carbine Joe? (I'm a' learnin' .)

[iceman]

Talking about the guns (not something I know much/anything about) what's going on with Clint's fire-arm?

I think it's a Henry repeating rifle, which appeared in 1860 (?) and later won the battle of the Little Big Horn, but my question is, what's that tube mounted on the side of the rifled barrel for?



It's not there on the first two times Clint uses the same weapon to shoot Tuco free:



It can't be a sight, as Clint has his eye shut on that side of the weapon, so, what's all that about?

Cigar Joe? Harmonica?

Looks like a sight to me...obviously shorty was a lot further away than TUCO and would probably be better with a sight,  and also I would shut my left eye if the sight was on the left side of the rifle,...I think

ICE

[Juan Miranda]

As usual, one of my sweeping statements is incorrect. I went and had another look, and Blondie does have the mystery object on his rifle the second time we see him shoot down Tuco.


He takes aim though the barrell site.


We can't see the clipped on object yet, but he clearly isn't using it to aim.


Blondie carries on shooting off hats, using the gun's own site.


We see that the mystery object seems to be plugged both ends.

[dave jenkins]

Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it is definitely NOT a sight.

[cigar joe]

yea it would be kind of tricky having a sight along side the barrel rather than on top.

I saw the gun with the quick tube loader on Wild West Tech I don't thnk it was a Spencer it was a name I did not recognize. A problem was the tube storage would accidently either fire off in the tube, or the bullets would work loose and the powder would spill out of the cartriges. It was discontinued by the army because of this problem.

[Hanley]

Talking about the guns (not something I know much/anything about) what's going on with Clint's fire-arm?

I think it's a Henry repeating rifle, which appeared in 1860 (?) and later won the battle of the Little Big Horn, but my question is, what's that tube mounted on the side of the rifled barrel for?



It's not there on the first two times Clint uses the same weapon to shoot Tuco free:



It can't be a sight, as Clint has his eye shut on that side of the weapon, so, what's all that about?

Cigar Joe? Harmonica?

It should have been a Henry rifle but, in fact, Blondie uses a Model 1866 (post Civil War) Winchester (also called the "Yellow Boy" carbine). note that Winchester took over the manufacture of the Henry. In 1860, the Henry was modified by an improved loading system (King's March 1866 Patent) - distinguished by the loading port on the right side plate, as seen on Blondie's rifle! The tube on the side is, in my opinion, a telescopic sight. There were such sights used during the Civil War and they were sometimes (perhaps usually) on the side.