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« on: March 09, 2005, 10:54:45 AM »

Which character did you like the most, Tuco or Juan?
I think they're very much alike and like em' both, but what do you think Huh

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2005, 12:17:09 PM »

 Cool hola and welcome Dominick!  I've mentioned elsewhere that I've only ever seen DUCK YOU SUCKER / FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE once before (can't wait for the dvd!) but what I do remember is that Rod Steiger just seems to be doing an over-the-top impersonation of Wallach's Tuco. and he uses the 'F-word' a lot. no competition Tuco is THE MAN.

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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2005, 03:44:14 PM »

yeah, any die-hard DYS fans under the illusion that Rod Steiger's Juan is even a patch on Eli Wallach's Tuco is misled. i dont think there are many that would argue it. dont get me wrong, steiger may be a great actor, but in that film he just got the accent and mood all wrong.

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2005, 09:55:03 PM »

I agree in English language version, Wallach nails a peon/bandit character, so does Tomas Milian who could have done the part too in the English dub.

That said now perhaps in other language versions Steiger's dubber makes a difference, so we are dealing with not the same film then in that respect.

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2005, 01:01:10 PM »

I agree in English language version, Wallach nails a peon/bandit character, so does Tomas Milian who could have done the part too in the English dub.

That said now perhaps in other language versions Steiger's dubber makes a difference, so we are dealing with not the same film then in that respect.

Thomas Milian playing Juan...  interesting.

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2005, 10:10:36 AM »

Hey don't get me wrong, i love wallach's tuco, but Rod steiger is facinating in his portrayel of Juan. I dont think hes over the top, i think he's perfect. Besides he's a great actor!!!! The scene where he finds his dead family is just great acting, you guys can't argue with on that one Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2005, 03:47:32 PM »

I agree Juan's grieving scene is a touching moment. As for the comparison:I find the setting and the mood of two movies are so different that each actor works well in their own roles.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2005, 06:45:37 AM »

wallach was offered the part of Juan... but the guys from United Artists are very strange, and they change their mind pretty often.
I think Eli would have been great. But maybe their is something in Rod's eyes that is not in Wallach's ones... something very moving... a certain kind of compation or something like that. I don't know.

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2005, 12:35:20 PM »

I think that Tuco and Juan, are the same character. The Juan character has just been taken a step further. He doesn't just think about money, but family! Tuco on the other hand, only goes after the money. Although he visits his brother, and his eyes are filled with tears when he learns about his parent death, the visit of the mission is not intentional

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2005, 01:18:53 PM »

Actually yes it was. Remember, he asked the Confederate soldier where the mission was and then he asked the priest at the hospital if Pablo Ramirez was there.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2005, 12:45:57 AM »

Tuco and Juan are very different and can't really be compared; they are both perfect in their own ways, but those ways are determined by the kinds of movies they inhabit. Tuco is a character who doesn't change, he is amazingly consistent from beginning to end. As viewers we prize the fact of his unchangeability. But Juan does change, as he must, in the movie he operates within. The two are exactly as they should be for their respective films....

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2005, 03:13:29 AM »

Nothing at all wrong with Steigerís performance except for his slightly too loose interpretation of a Mexican accent. It doesnít get in the way except once or twice, though, and sometimes it even adds to the movie because itís quite funny.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2005, 01:25:11 PM »

Well they're not different, they're just set in two different situations. Steiger got afamily, Tuco don't

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2005, 05:54:06 PM »

Hey, pal, character is destiny.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2005, 10:18:02 PM »

Wallach and Steiger are both dubbed by the same actor (Carlo Romano, Jerry Lewis' dubber) in the italian releases.

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