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« #180 : February 08, 2007, 05:07:12 PM »

Oh give me a frickin break Firecracker. I'm just talking about the movie The Great Silence. I did nothing wrong starting this thread. Get over it. You don't want to get in on the discussion, than shut up. Not trying to be mean, but that's how it is. You got it? >:(

I don't think FC meant any harm just that instead of having a half dozen or more threads related to the same thing it would make more sense to contain all related topics of said discussion in as few threads as possible. I try to do this myself. It isn't a big deal otherwise. An instance of miscommunication.

But, for your initial questions, for me, Loco was the villain plain and simple. His tactics are evidence enough of that. He kills many innocent people using lies to lure them into the open, he murders the towns sheriff and conspires with Polycutt who has his own dirty, murderous past. He also twists the "rules" of the time to his own advantage. The violent bloodthirsty massacre of the homeless people at the finale is further proof. Does he simply escort these supposed "criminals" to the authorities? No, he derives pleasure from using the "law" to his own murderous ends.


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« #181 : February 08, 2007, 06:40:24 PM »

I don't think FC meant any harm just that instead of having a half dozen or more threads related to the same thing it would make more sense to contain all related topics of said discussion in as few threads as possible. I try to do this myself. It isn't a big deal otherwise. An instance of miscommunication.

But, for your initial questions, for me, Loco was the villain plain and simple. His tactics are evidence enough of that. He kills many innocent people using lies to lure them into the open, he murders the towns sheriff and conspires with Polycutt who has his own dirty, murderous past. He also twists the "rules" of the time to his own advantage. The violent bloodthirsty massacre of the homeless people at the finale is further proof. Does he simply escort these supposed "criminals" to the authorities? No, he derives pleasure from using the "law" to his own murderous ends.

Well put Arizona Colt.




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« #182 : February 09, 2007, 09:06:41 AM »

Oh give me a frickin break Firecracker. I'm just talking about the movie The Great Silence. I did nothing wrong starting this thread. Get over it. You don't want to get in on the discussion, than shut up. Not trying to be mean, but that's how it is. You got it? >:(


Don't get your panties in a bunch madame.


My post was for the concern of the board, not to harass you.

I thought that was made clear with this sentence...

"It's alright though, just don't make a habit out of it"
(perhaps you thought it was sarcastic but it wasn't)


I'm just tired of seeing the same discussions being brought up on newly created threads (I have made the same mistake myself but I learned from it). Keep it all in one if possible.


As for your anger managment problem...keep it at IMDB.




P.S. Silence is most obviously the anti-hero. He plays the same role Harmonica and Mortimer do in their movies (Mysterious gunslinger with a troubled past).
 

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« #183 : February 09, 2007, 09:23:50 AM »

I'm just talking about the movie The Great Silence.


Oh really? And what did you think I was talking about son?


Ear Muffs?


We have over 5 threads about the film all with the same thread title.






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« #184 : February 09, 2007, 09:45:59 AM »

Oh give me a frickin break Firecracker. I'm just talking about the movie The Great Silence. I did nothing wrong starting this thread. Get over it. You don't want to get in on the discussion, than shut up. Not trying to be mean, but that's how it is. You got it? >:(
The point is, since there are already threads dedicated to this topic, starting another is needlessly confusing for those who come after us. Newcomers aren't always aware of what went on before on this board; even those of us who have been here awhile have a hard time chasing down dimly remembered posts to check comments or reacquaint ourselves with a subject. So we aren't talking about what is right or wrong to do, but what is most helpful to this community. It is easier for readers to use the board if we keep posts consolidated on each topic. That's just a fact. But if one feels the need to start a new thread in spite of the fact one or more already exist on a subject, courtesy dictates that you should at least link to the old threads in the new one. It comes down to a simple a question: are you posting only for yourself, or for others as well?



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« #185 : February 09, 2007, 09:55:42 AM »

>>>>>>As for your anger managment problem...keep it at IMDB.<<<<<<<

Firecracker, there is no anger managment problem here. I didn't get upset, I was just saying if you had a problem with my post, than don't comment, that's all. I'm not like a troll on IMDB, never was if you would go back and go through my history. I'm just having a convo with you, nothing more. I understand what you're saying, sorry if I made another topic on the movie. I just hate it when people act like they're the boss on a board and like to give orders. I don't think you're like that but it sounded like it.




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« #186 : March 04, 2007, 11:35:20 AM »

Found the alternate ending for whoever wants to watch it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwLDQTgZ1k

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« #187 : March 04, 2007, 02:35:38 PM »

This ending is on the Fantoma dvd as a special feature.


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« #188 : March 05, 2007, 09:33:34 AM »

Found the alternate ending for whoever wants to watch it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRwLDQTgZ1k


for a second I thought you had found the scene with audio (the alternate ending was never dubbed) but then I realized it was just sound effects that were being used from other films.




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« #189 : March 05, 2007, 10:47:37 AM »

When I saw this at the LFF they had it at the end of the Credits with the main theme playing over it. It was wonderful. It's a shame the music isn't on the Fantoma version as it's good to listen to the Cox commentary on these Alternate Ending atleast once but the other version has no music behind it at all.


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« #190 : March 06, 2007, 01:15:08 PM »

One of my Top 5 Italo-Westerns.
Too bad Eastwood withold the film at its initial release from the US/UK,
so no nice English promo-material does exist..

The alternate ending was never meant to be used (by Corbucci),
that's why he shot it so out of style. Funny anyway (Silenzio talks :))



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« #191 : March 06, 2007, 05:03:05 PM »

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Too bad Eastwood withold the film at its initial release from the US/UK,
so no nice English promo-material does exist..

Never heard about that before whats to scoop on that story?


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« #192 : March 07, 2007, 05:43:39 AM »

While preparring WHERE EAGLES DARE Eastwood saw the film in Europe. He was so impressed that he bought the English/US-Rights. But unfortunately not to distribute the film but to remake it. The result was JOE KIDD. Yes, no KIDDING :). You still see Silenzio's MAUSER C96 gun. Even their hats look alike. Duvall is the Bounty hunter leader (Kinskis part), Saxon represents the 'outlaws' in the mountains...

I think it's a perfect example of what the Italians were capable of doing in the 60's. SILENZIO became an inspired classic while JOE KIDD is another example of the mediocre (not: bad) US-westerns of the 70's. The secret was to do something really special and not fool around with good ideas (although a silent Eastwood would never have worked. So that 'Special' was totally lost. AND they withhold the film from so many people for ages. Back in the 80's I constantly bugged people in the UK and the US because they never heard of the film and talked big of really 2nd rate Spaghettis which had a bigger release in the US and therefore were known (but not really representative for the good ones).

Or maybe it's just that different taste. Over here nobody would question the fact that IL MERCENARIO is superior (by far)
to COMPANEROS, while the later film even appears on Top-lists in the US. Also the fact that outside of GERMANY/FRANCE/SPAIN & ITALY nobody seems to get the quality of the COLIZZI Westerns tells me that 'style' isn't half as important in the US than story or action. Not for me. I can only quote Robert Ryan (on WILD BUNCH/Peckinpah:
'All westerns have been made. numerous times. The only difference now is style. And Peckinpah's style is extraordinary..'



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« #193 : March 07, 2007, 10:47:52 AM »

Thanks for that information Mike, tell us more about COLIZZI's Westerns which one's to look for, its hard to get a good handle on these films since everyone's tastes seem to range so widely that its hard to judge.


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« #194 : March 07, 2007, 11:30:19 AM »

Well my taste what kind of films to watch shifts all the time. Depends on the mood.
Sometimes I long for Ingmar Bergman, sometimes for good old 50's Sci-Fi. But an overall
quality on can pin down, at least I believe that. So for ex. I never liked Anthony Steffen westerns,
to me he is not even (believable) cool after 5 beers. Or let's say about 80% of those couple of
hundred Italian Western :). Gee, they produced a lot of crap. Bad directing, bad photography,
bad acting, stories so bad one can hardly watch them.
Yet I think about 30-50 of those films belong to the best work produced in those two decades.
And a couple even are among the best films ever.

The three COLIZZI-westerns have their own treads here I thought?
(GOD FORGIVEs, I DON'T / ACE HIGH / BOOT HILL)

GOD is a first-director effort, a bid rough, yet better than most westerns by 'experienced'
film makers. Nice strange score.
ACE HIGH is long but entertaining. Well directed And photographed. Unusual score and
attractive ideas. Great wardrobe too, as in all his films.
BOOT HILL is cool. The first 20 minutes the lead (Hill) seems to speak not one word.
Great soundtrack (weird again of course) and again a great look in general. And I love the
whole atmosphere and themes (not your usual 'Gringo kisses girl and clears the saloon').
Circus, Roulette, fountains, fishing, Jazz... unusual stuff. AND with those films he also teamed up
HILL & SPENCER, the biggest European Starduo in the 70's & 80's (although everybody
tends to think of Barboni's TRINITA only by now..). By the mid-70's the two decided to make
films more and more for children only - they both hated violence in films. So (if) you love them,
you get everything in the Colizzis: Fun, adventure, humor & violence. And well-done too :).

I just watched Valerii's films again and I think the two Gemma-Films are dated, slow and
almost boring. Colizzi was a better student of Leone.



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