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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2004, 09:49:38 AM »

"The Big Gundown" was great, mind you I haven't seen it for over 30 years, but I ranked it high, better than "Death Rides A Horse." Lee Van Cleef played a roll that was very similar to Colonel Mortimer, that may have had something to do with it.

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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2004, 04:17:14 AM »

I have seen several spaghettis that aren't great films, but I have yet to see one that I haven't enjoyed. But how can anyone call "Keoma" crap? I thought it was fantastic! It was so stylistic, and extremely entertaining, with a wonderful Franco Nero performance. I also loved "Four Of The Apocalypse", and although I can understand why people don't like this one (it's extremely dark), it includes one of the best Thomas Milian performances. He scared the living daylights out of me, and his character is one of the meanest and scariest characters I've ever seen on film, up there with Dennis Hopper in "Blue Velvet" and BOB in "Twin Peaks".

I have yet to see "The Big Gundown" and "Face To Face" though. Why will no one release them on dvd? I have heard so much great about them, and I loved Sollina's "Run, Man, Run".

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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2004, 04:49:14 AM »

Face to Face (Faccia a Faccia) is available in Japan from SPO (Macaroni Western Bible)
R2 NTSC Italian (You can hear Volonte's voice acting)/ Great vicious Morricone soundtrack, arguably one of his best.

The film is a wonderful quality, and the personality swap between Solomon, Tomas Milan (Bandit) & Brad, Gian Maria Volonte (Professor) is fantastic. Fascist allegory* runs wild, when the ambition lacking Professor realises the power he can wheeled in his hand & mind.



I think Sollima had one up on Leone in 1967 (pre-OUATITW). In the depth of the charactors.* or maybe its just Volonte's El Indio has little of the depth that Brad Fletcher does, and nothing more...

Sony Pictures hold the rights to Big Gundown... well most of columbia pictures (UA/Grimbaldi Productions) which it was made by.

*Sollima denied alot the the political undercurrents in his work,  a Veteran of WWII. 'Faccia was purely 2 extreme personalities swapping'.

**Sollima also disliked the emotionless statuesque 'Man With No Name' Hero's of Leone's films... . . ..& Leone just didnt like Sollima's political films  Grin  

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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2004, 05:41:20 AM »

Thanka for the info. So far I've only found one store that sells this, www.cdjapan.co.jp , but it costs $43.90. Is there ant way I can get it cheaper? I also found an italian and a spanish release. Alas, no english audio. "The Big Gundown" has also been released in Italy.

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« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2004, 08:12:43 AM »

No there not cheap.. SPO are still a specialist DVD company. But DVDs in general are still a slightly expensive thing to be into in Japan..
So are the players.

The way i see it.. Ive never really payed full price for DVDs in general anyway with all the taxless (duty dodge) DVD internet stores around. Can't remember the last time i actually payed the norm... 19.99 for a Disc in HMV anyways... So what the hell, it was a treat.. . and well worth it.

http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/pid-1002796300/section-videos/code-j/version-all/did-6976/

Yesasia.com i went with. Because there postage is fast to UK. (faster than Amazon.JP)


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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2004, 04:51:11 AM »

i just wonder how much we value these non-leone spaghettis based on whether morricone scored them, because Great Silence has a good ennio score and it sounds like Big Gundown and Face to Face do too, so perhaps these mediocre films are enhanced by Morricone.

But then i spose ur going into the realms of how much leone was reliant on morricone...

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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2004, 04:59:57 AM »

I saw the Great Silence the other day, and it was pretty amazing. I have to agree with Alex Cox's commentary on the DVD that it's probably the saddest ending of any film. It certainly felt like that for a spaghetti western fan. For that reason I wouldn't say it was my favourite non-Leone SW, although it was a lot more sophisticated than the average spaghetti. The DVD also contained the alternative happy ending, which was pretty bizarre, featuring the apparently dead sheriff (Frank Wolff's character) suddenly returning to save the day.

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2004, 05:16:03 PM »

i just wonder how much we value these non-leone spaghettis based on whether morricone scored them, because Great Silence has a good ennio score and it sounds like Big Gundown and Face to Face do too, so perhaps these mediocre films are enhanced by Morricone.

But then i spose ur going into the realms of how much leone was reliant on morricone...

Id totally agree with you DJIMBO about non-Leone Spaghetti's. Hes so ingrained into it.

Morricone on the Companero's DVD interview. Mentioned that he had different stylings for each director Leone, Corbucci, Sollima.

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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2004, 05:01:17 PM »

Couldn't figure out how to do the quotes right ... but Cigar Joe said
""The Big Gundown" was great, mind you I haven't seen it for over 30 years, but I ranked it high, better than "Death Rides A Horse." Lee Van Cleef played a roll that was very similar to Colonel Mortimer, that may have had something to do with it. "

I just got the western channel for free and The Big Gundown was on.  Too bad it was not widescreen as some shots seemed awkward.  But i enjoyed it a lot.  I haven't seen any  other spaghettis other than Leone so after seeing this post I checked it out and enjoyed it a lot.  Reminded me a little of The Fugitive with Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee Jones. It could have been better but yes I think I did enjoy it because it was like seeing the "system" of Col. Mortimer!!!

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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2004, 04:39:34 AM »

I don't have "the Western Channel" Embarrassed  I'm waiting to hopefully get a DVD of it.

Thanks for reviving my memories of it.

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2004, 05:34:54 AM »

It really annoys me that The Big Gundown and Face to Face (supposedly Sollima's best two spaghettis) have never been released on English DVD. Big Gundown's never even been shown on British TV

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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2004, 05:09:52 AM »

i maybe completely off-kilter here, but those of you who have heard The Great Silence theme tune by Morricone, do you think it sounds quite alot like a recent song by Travis (i dont know how big Travis r in the US).

I think the song is Love Will Come Through but im not sure. But there is certainly the guitar part is stolen straight from Morricone and another example of his timeless influence, tho im not sure Travis would admit it. Smiley

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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2004, 10:59:01 AM »

I was actually watching a programme a few years ago about Travis. And they were looking for a new song to go out on the stage to when they play live because they were sick of the song they were using. Then they were all in their tour bus and Fran Healy, the lead singer, said they had found one and they were playing it on the bus and it was Titoli from AFOD, and they were all doing the sound effects to the whips, etc. So maybe they are fans of Morricone, but i doubt it because their shit. At the time they looked like they had just stumbled upon this CD with the song on it because none of them seemed to know whne the whips and that came in, they were just acting like drunken idiots. But who knows.

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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2004, 04:53:02 PM »



The Great Silence is coming out in the UK in August on Eureka DVD Region 2 PAL. Looks the the same as Coppla's Zoetrope release (Alt ending, Trailer etc..). But includes a Italian Audio track.


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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2004, 04:58:12 AM »

i bought the R1 version anyway. wonder if the recording quality will be better than the shoddy R1 version. i doubt it because it is somewhat of a lost film and fantoma did well to seek it out really.

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