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« on: March 06, 2003, 10:18:06 AM »

Garry Cowell posted this link down in the GBU forum, but I think it's so important that I'm going to repeat it up here, and post the full story:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s745GBU.html

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The 2003 Film Restoration of THE Good, THE Bad AND THE Ugly
Hollywood, March 5, 2003

This article is sort of an extended announcement, about a film restoration that first proposed in 1997, that has finally come to pass.

The January 1998 MGM DVD of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly had an important extra on board, approximately 16 minutes of scenes new to the United States, that had been part of the 180-minute Rome premiere cut of the film from 1966. Savant wrote about them in an early article.

Since then, Sergio Leone fans have been talking about the missing scenes, asking why they couldn't be reinstated in the film. Only the earlier 162 minute cut was ever dubbed into English. The plan to re-record Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach's new dialogue was approved in theory almost from the beginning - but the project had never been able to attract the needed restoration budget.
 
AMC, the American Movie Channel, stepped in this year with the several hundred thousand dollars needed to do the job. Archivist John Kirk of MGM Technical Services oversaw the restoration. It was more complicated than just remixing the film with a few new looped lines of dialogue.

The Cineteca Nazionale in Italy did the bulk of the restoration by providing a good negative of the longest Italian cut, which is still a couple of minutes short of the original 3 hours. It was the source for the Italian-language-only scenes on the previous DVD.

In two separate sessions, John Kirk recorded the missing dialogue lines with Eastwood and Wallach. Several lines were also needed for the late Lee Van Cleef. A voiceover artist named Simon Prescott provided the growling voice for Angel Eyes (or Setenza, if you will).
 
The surprise for fans will be yet more footage, which the Italians located separately and was reportedly part of the original Rome premiere version. John Kirk has re-integrated the legendary Grotto scene into this new restoration. About halfway through the movie, three outlaws attempt to shoot Joe (the Eastwood character), with a predictable lack of success. The Grotto scene explains where the desperados came from. It's a very humorous passage for Eli Wallach's Tuco, showing a little more depth to his character as he bilks the three would-be hit men.

In the interest of clarity, there are two items that couldn't be included in this restoration. When Angel Eyes has Tuco beaten in the prison, about a minute's worth of Eli Wallach being pummelled, intercut with shots of the prisoner's chorus singing outside, were cut from the film soon after its first release. No good picture materials have been found for it. John recorded the necessary dialogue, and would have liked to restore the scene, as the American re-cut mangles the Ennio Morricone 'Ballad of a Soldier' song. But, not this time.
 
Real Leone detail-types still ask about two more scenes that show up in stills. In one, Tuco raises money by pretending to collect for charity from the citizens of a small town. A couple of stills exist showing Wallach standing on a wooden platform and making a speech. The scene was probably shot, but wasn't finished or mixed in any version of the film.

The second mystery is in the original still keyset, which shows Eastwood kissing a woman in a bed, a setup that does not appear in the film at all. It may have been a posed publicity still, but more likely than not there was such a scene shot, that also no longer exists.  1

Neither of these scenes are part of this restoration, of course.
 
John Kirk has made new 35mm prints, remixed in stereo 5.1 by Intersound. Triage, a top restoration house, handled the final film work, replacing the Italian titles with the American version, etc.

So, Where's this going to be Shown?

Before its repremiere on AMC, the restoration will be screened twice in New York. The Tribeca Film Festival will have it on May 7, and then it will play at the Film Forum on May 30. It will probably only play in major cities - in Los Angeles the Nuart will have it for a week starting June 20.

AMC will premiere the restoration uncut and without commercials (the first broadcast only) on May 10, which will be the big opportunity for most of us to see it. The only reason it's being given special treatment is because of an AMC film restoration promotion; it will show again several times, but with the cable channel's usual station breaks.

Now what about a DVD?

No DVD of the new restoration is in the works as yet. A special edition was planned in 2001 but cancelled. Savant would guess that if one came out, it would be 2004 at the earliest.

So, it's been a long time waiting to make this announcement. I'm curious to hear the new mix, and to see the Grotto scene, which I've only viewed pan-scanned on a fuzzy vhs tape. I'm also curious to hear how Clint and Eli sound, as nobody's voice stays the same for 36 years ... I'm told that they work out quite well. I hope this news will make Sergio Leone fans happy.

Glenn Erickson - March 5, 2003

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Some authoritative information from Ulrich Angersbach, 3/6/03:

Hello Glenn, With surprise I read your article concerning the GBU 2003 restoration. Great news. Please allow some corrections from my side.

The 2 scenes you mentioned (Tuco standing on a wooden platform & Eastwood in bed with a woman) belong to one scenario - the lSOCORRO sequence.
 
The actress in bed with Eastwood is Silvana Bacci, now 56 years old and living in Rome. A friend of mine visted her recently for an interview. She confirmed that filming with Sergio Leone took place at Elios Studios, Rome and in the vicinity of Almeria, Spain.

The scene was completely filmed and edited - but it was decided not to include it in the movie - eventually because the film was too long. I got in contact with Alberto Grimaldi about the remains of it; he send me a letter pointing out that the scene was lost - most likely stolen.

The last thing I would like to say is that the premiere version of the film (December 1966 in Rome) had a length of 177 minutes and 43 seconds. Hence the now rereleased print is approx. the same as the one shown in Rome 36 years ago.

Maybe you can agree modifying your Savant statement concerning the a.m. items. Enclosed as well an unknown shot given from Silvana Bacci.



Best regards from Frankfurt - Ulrich Angersbach 3/6/03



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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2003, 12:36:37 PM »

Well, the two scene that you're talking are in fact one scene:
Tuco is looking for clint, because this one left him in the desert. He comes in a town, where he sees south soldiers taking guys for their army. Tuco wants to help those guys (who don't want to fight), and tries to collect money for giving it to the soldiers, aiming to ask them to let the civilians.
Clint was in the same town, in the bed with a girl. He and the girl stole the money that Tuco had founded, and leave the town...

Tuco has (another time) been betrayed by clint, but because of what he had tried, three mexicans follow him after that (for tinking him), and do what he wants.
Those guys are the three who are killed by clint in the scene of the "spurs": there is two kinds of spurs, my friend...


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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2003, 04:25:44 PM »

Noodels you did pretty good, I understood what you ment to say.

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2003, 09:10:15 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2003, 09:15:07 AM »

an other scene that isn't in any version of the movie is jsut before tuco and clint arrive in the cemetary.
Remember, tuco is riding a horse, clint shoot him with a canon (do you say "canon" in english???) and tuco fall.

Just after that, he arrive in the cemetary.
In the scene that miss, tuco trie to shoot clint with an other canon (remember that when he falls, we can see a part of canon near him), but the gun exploids.
I've 2 pictures of this scene.

an other time: sorry for the english!

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2003, 05:18:53 PM »

That is interesting! Yes it is cannon in English too but with 2 "n".



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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2003, 10:41:26 AM »

can,t wait! I have managed to edit the deleted scenes into the film by copying the DVD onto video but the dubbing of Clint into Italian and the so-so quality of the scenes means they do not really match the rest of the film.An uncut DVD would be fantastic!

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2003, 12:39:10 PM »

Jon, I did the same thing onto Videotape, in LP speed, with the English subtitles for those extra scenes.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2003, 03:59:35 AM »

this is exiting news, but wil I have to fly to the U.S.
or does any body know if it will be coming to the UK.
I've not heard any news of this restoration until now and can only guess no-one over here is aware of this.
The NFT (National Film Theatre) had a Leone season 3 years ago, they would be very interested.

For what it's worth, a DVD release of OUTITW is in the pipeline as a friend of mine is currently getting copyright clearance of a Leone inteview from the BBC for it.

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2003, 02:18:22 PM »

It's terrific news about the extended version of GBU on DVD. I've got the existing DVD but would gladly buy the new version when it becomes available. Although the posts said there's no plans to release the restored version on DVD, it's hard to believe anyone would go to all that trouble and expense to have Eastwood and Wallach redub the missing English soundtrack, just so they can play it a few times on cable and in some theatres. Of the "extra" scenes on the current DVD, I think the desert scene is most significant. If you watch the movie closely (and I'm sure you all have!), this scene will fill in a jarring "gap". Right before the classic scene of the runaway stage-coach arriving, there are two scenes who don't quite flow. First, there's the scene of Eastwood crapped out on the sand: in this scene, Tuco stops his horse, then gets off and starts to walk over towards Eastwood. That immediately cuts to the next scene of Eastwood rolling down the sand-dune, in which we see initially Tuco back on his horse again. I always thought this jarred (which is an odd thing to happen in a Leone film): first we see him get off his horse and start to do something (we don't know what), then the next thing we see, he's back in the saddle. The missing desert scene fits in between those two, and will make the flow more natural: we'll know what Tuco does in between getting off the horse, and the next scene where he's back on it briefly. Besides, judging from the subtitles, this is a very funny scene!

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2003, 09:31:27 AM »

I'LL BE AT THE NUART! THIS IS GOING TO GREAT. IT'S TOO BAD THAT THE EGYPTIAN WILL NOT BE SHOWING IT. THEY HAVE MUCH BETTER FACILITIES (LAST TIME I WAS AT THE NUART, IT SURE WAS RUN DOWN). BUT WHO'S COMPLAINING? THIS WILL BE A REALLY TREAT!

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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2003, 11:18:31 PM »

I sure hope the San Francisco Bay Area gets a screening of this. I've never seen it on anything larger than my 21" JVC television  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2003, 10:19:05 PM »

I saw it, and loved it. But I've always loved GBU, so I guess that was expected.

Tuco voice dubb bothered me a BIT, not a whole lot, but I knew the scenes with him were new when I could an old man talking. The guy who dubbed for Van Cleef, I thought, did a good job. It just sounded like he was talking harshly so, it seemed like Van Cleef was doing it himself. I didnt really notice a differance when Clint when spoke though.

Either way, I LOVED IT!!! I love this movie!! I love it even more now. It was too long since I saw it again, and Im glad I saw it this way.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2003, 03:57:07 AM »

I sure hope the San Francisco Bay Area gets a screening of this. I've never seen it on anything larger than my 21" JVC television  Grin

Lets's forget T.V
 I recently bought a video-projector. It's amazing.I can watch Clint and others in 2x3 metres size.I connected easily  my micro-chain JVC and sound is perfect .I dream to try a projection from 11 meters (maximum lenght) but my flat is not yet large enough.

 I'm enthusiastic. If anybody went to Paris (France) I woud be happy to show it and offer you an esspresso .
 

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2003, 10:19:19 PM »

Sounds great!

How does the projection exactly work and hook up?

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