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« Reply #1350 on: September 25, 2015, 06:45:19 AM »

Dixie Ray Hollywood Star (1983) For a porn this is high-class stuff. As to props, sets, clothes, hair-dos this beats any tv show (The Untouchables, for example) and most  of B rated movies (especially those of the late 50's early 60's). The photography it's OK, and so the OST. You have also some no-porn actors like Mitchell and Warfield (but the actor credited as "Steve Harlow" looks familiar too). The pornsters have not been cast well, I think. Leslie was almost mandatory choice for the lead but I saw him playing better and Spinelli could have stunted his overplaying. The females are the major problem. Anderson gives good head and plays well: but she is pushing forty and it shows, though I think she fits the part well. DeLeeuw a film star? Where? How? And mother of Kelly Nichols (who looks older than she and from the porn sources she actually is) who was never a looker and here looks even worse. So I wonder why the main role wasn't given to Veronica Hart, who is the best looking and can even play: probably the porn viewers preferred the mammaries of Lisa.  The main problem is of course with the story development  which is too secondary to the sex scenes, so I'll give a sneak watch to the soft version which has additional dialogue scenes minus the sex. I think that anyway this should be watched by any noir aficionado, especially for some of the porn scenes where Leslie wears undergarment of the era and so the actresses, with the right hair-do. 7/10      

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« Reply #1351 on: September 25, 2015, 04:30:15 PM »

It's Called Murder Baby (1983) This is the real thing, the story of course fares better than in the hc version I reviewed above, though the faults I noted in that version remain. The problem with the sc editing is I don't think it is good as exploitation, the sex scenes being quite sedated for the times. So the version which I think should be edited would be the soft core version plus some of the hc footage (make your choice) and then I could give it the 8/10 CJ gives to Aroused.

BTW, "Steve Harlow" is in fact Steven Marlo.

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« Reply #1352 on: September 25, 2015, 07:35:54 PM »

I see that you consider Satan in High Heels an antecedent of this one. I think that might be misleading because the visual sex there is quite tame (in fact you can watch the movie on line) and that should make all the difference: wherein should lie otherwise the "exploitation" side? No, I think Aroused is in another category and probably  a case in itself, unless you can turn up with better terms of comparison. I guess that in some of the soft and hard porn flicks made between the sixties and seventies in NYC could be found plot-wise more pertinent examples, though most of them were shot in colour. Or maybe even this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085446/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_42

which, as far as I can remember, was visually inspired by the re-reading of the genre of the early '70's. Of course, I can't tell whether those who wrote books on noir  took notice of them.

You are right, Satan In High Heels is more about leather fetish. But I didn't think Aroused was porn it was rather tame in that respect, soft core barely, very close to Eastwood's Tightrope, watch that one again if you haven't seen it in a while.

I did find this blog that covers a lot of films that may have what we are looking for in terms of similar films called The Last Drive In  http://thelastdrivein.com/category/cult-euro-shock/aroused-1966/

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« Reply #1353 on: September 26, 2015, 01:40:22 AM »

But I didn't think Aroused was porn it was rather tame in that respect, soft core barely, very close to Eastwood's Tightrope, watch that one again if you haven't seen it in a while.


I never said it was porn, though it sure can still be considered a sc flick. I said that some of the sexual activities shown there cannot be found so easily in nowadays mainstream r-rated flicks, which sometime include some hc footage made by doubles, but never all that tongue gymnastics of the leads: because the leads, of course, wouldn't do it. I'll give a rewatch to the Eastwood, anyway.

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« Reply #1354 on: September 26, 2015, 04:24:17 AM »


I never said it was porn, though it sure can still be considered a sc flick. I said that some of the sexual activities shown there cannot be found so easily in nowadays mainstream r-rated flicks, which sometime include some hc footage made by doubles, but never all that tongue gymnastics of the leads: because the leads, of course, wouldn't do it. I'll give a rewatch to the Eastwood, anyway.

Actually, now that I checked Aroused's IMDb page the section of user lists has some possible candidates to explore. Violated (1953) sounds interesting

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« Reply #1355 on: September 26, 2015, 04:44:15 PM »

Violated (1953) sounds interesting

It certainly is. For You. Grin

Watch it and report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaNa59iS4Uo

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« Reply #1356 on: September 26, 2015, 04:54:31 PM »

It certainly is. For You. Grin

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaNa59iS4Uo

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« Reply #1357 on: September 27, 2015, 04:00:30 PM »

I have re-watched Tightrope, I don't understand, Cigar, how you can give it a 10/10. I give it a generous 7/10 for very simple reasons. As usual, the moment Eastwood realizes somebody is after him he doesn't do the first thing you and me and anyone else would do: send the kids away. Oh, sure, he has cops car watching them, apparently only on one shift (the morning, I presume, when the kids are at school, because the murderer can easily go into the house in the evening). Of course these Keystone cops can easily be duped even when they're on their guard (see attack on Bujold's home)   and Eastwood himself, in the first hand to hand combat apparently shoots twice at him and doesn't hit him. The murderer, for no apparent reasomn (but probably it escaped me, insists on using a ribbon as weapon, with dire consequences for him. I think the movie was at least a half hour too long, as is usual nowadays.
But about the presence of sex, I really can't see how you can compare it to Aroused. In Eastwood you have nudity, off-screen blowjob and that's that. In the sex-exploitative flick you have sexual ACTIVITY: of a secondary degree, in a sense, but of the kind which isn't shown in mainstream movies, as far as I can say.  Even a mainstream movie much sleazier than the Eastwood that I saw recently as  Where the Truth Lies you don't have that kind of action. So, please...Watch Dixie Ray and try to remember things. Grin

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« Reply #1358 on: September 27, 2015, 05:52:36 PM »

I have re-watched Tightrope, I don't understand, Cigar, how you can give it a 10/10. I give it a generous 7/10 for very simple reasons. As usual, the moment Eastwood realizes somebody is after him he doesn't do the first thing you and me and anyone else would do: send the kids away. Oh, sure, he has cops car watching them, apparently only on one shift (the morning, I presume, when the kids are at school, because the murderer can easily go into the house in the evening). Of course these Keystone cops can easily be duped even when they're on their guard (see attack on Bujold's home)   and Eastwood himself, in the first hand to hand combat apparently shoots twice at him and doesn't hit him. The murderer, for no apparent reasomn (but probably it escaped me, insists on using a ribbon as weapon, with dire consequences for him. I think the movie was at least a half hour too long, as is usual nowadays.
But about the presence of sex, I really can't see how you can compare it to Aroused. In Eastwood you have nudity, off-screen blowjob and that's that. In the sex-exploitative flick you have sexual ACTIVITY: of a secondary degree, in a sense, but of the kind which isn't shown in mainstream movies, as far as I can say.  Even a mainstream movie much sleazier than the Eastwood that I saw recently as  Where the Truth Lies you don't have that kind of action. So, please...Watch Dixie Ray and try to remember things. Grin

This is a Film-Noir Discussion thread. I'm giving it high marks for its look, its very Noir stylistically, more so than what a lot of people are calling Neo Noir films these days so that starts it off as a 7/10 for me.

As far as Eastwood missing his shots, he's not supposed to be Dirty Harry, he's actually playing against type, rare for him and probably why the film isn't highly regarded as an "Eastwood" film its in the vein of The Beguiled in that respect don't you think?

The murder has a side job as a clown selling balloons with red ribbons that's why he has a draw full of them, remember that sequence?

As far as the kids doesn't Eastwood have that baby sitter there inside and three dogs also, besides the cop outside?

I'm not saying the sex is better in Tighrope, Aroused is better of course,  but there is a sequence with the cute blond (the one that sucks on the cherry ice-icicles) where Eastwood is naked, that is his ass showing no?, they are both covered with oil and looks like he's doing anal with the blond who is handcuffed to the bed frame laying underneath him. The Italian versions shows that no?

I'd give Aroused a 10/10 if it had more professional actors.

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« Reply #1359 on: September 28, 2015, 02:38:10 AM »

As far as Eastwood missing his shots, he's not supposed to be Dirty Harry, he's actually playing against type, rare for him and probably why the film isn't highly regarded as an "Eastwood" film its in the vein of The Beguiled in that respect don't you think?

No, he's Dirty Harry grown old, but the 2 missing shots remain unexplained as Eastwood must be within a short distance of the murderer with whom he has had a hand to hand fight. 

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The murder has a side job as a clown selling balloons with red ribbons that's why he has a draw full of them, remember that sequence?

? What has this got to do with his murder practice (that is left unexplained) and renouncing to use (or at least wear) firearms? Having been a cop he should be quite able to use a gun and he should bring one with him as a second chance resource. Of course that would be then a hindrance to not get rid easily of Eastwood.

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As far as the kids doesn't Eastwood have that baby sitter there inside and three dogs also, besides the cop outside?

The cop outside? I haven't seen one but he is ineffectual as the murderer can easily get into the home. And really you would let your kids be guarded by an old woman and three small dogs? (BTW, how he did get rid of the two dogs? By a knife?). I admit though that saving Eastwood from death is a good idea, though one wonders how that dog didn't help his two canine friends against its instincts and how did he get hiding into the wardrobe.   

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I'm not saying the sex is better in Tighrope, Aroused is better of course,  but there is a sequence with the cute blond (the one that sucks on the cherry ice-icicles) where Eastwood is naked, that is his ass showing no?, they are both covered with oil and looks like he's doing anal with the blond who is handcuffed to the bed frame laying underneath him. The Italian versions shows that no?

I have watched the american dvd. The shot shows Eastwood's buttocks and his left leg between the legs of the girl. That means there's no penetration going on. They are resting. What may have been the proceedings before or after is left to imagination. And the oil dripping from the feet may hint to whatever sex practice you can imagine (but I'm doubtful it is for anal sex: you don't need that much oil: and with a prostitute it is fair to presume you don't need oil at all).


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« Reply #1360 on: September 28, 2015, 04:44:08 AM »

No, he's Dirty Harry grown old, but the 2 missing shots remain unexplained as Eastwood must be within a short distance of the murderer with whom he has had a hand to hand fight. 

For me, I just take it that it's dark he's stressed out nearly being strangled, his adrenaline is pumped up he,  just missed

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? What has this got to do with his murder practice (that is left unexplained) and renouncing to use (or at least wear) firearms? Having been a cop he should be quite able to use a gun and he should bring one with him as a second chance resource. Of course that would be then a hindrance to not get rid easily of Eastwood.

You asked why he uses a red ribbon as a murder weapon, I said because he had a ready physical supply of them, you want a psychological explanation? Maybe he gets off on it, for me to enjoy the story I don't need it explained.  The guy just got out of prison, what a week ago, he may not be able to readily get a gun that easy, you just can't walk into a sporting good shop and buy them as easily as you could in the 1970's, and he's a nut his m.o. its strangling, don't sexual deviants usually use the same m.o., again I'll go along with it.

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The cop outside? I haven't seen one but he is ineffectual as the murderer can easily get into the home. And really you would let your kids be guarded by an old woman and three small dogs? (BTW, how he did get rid of the two dogs? By a knife?). I admit though that saving Eastwood from death is a good idea, though one wonders how that dog didn't help his two canine friends against its instincts and how did he get hiding into the wardrobe. 

You stated  "As usual, the moment Eastwood realizes somebody is after him he doesn't do the first thing you and me and anyone else would do: send the kids away." Does he realize it right away? I got the impression that he was questioning his own sanity for a while there.

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I have watched the american dvd. The shot shows Eastwood's buttocks and his left leg between the legs of the girl. That means there's no penetration going on. They are resting. What may have been the proceedings before or after is left to imagination. And the oil dripping from the feet may hint to whatever sex practice you can imagine (but I'm doubtful it is for anal sex: you don't need that much oil: and with a prostitute it is fair to presume you don't need oil at all).

I never said we saw anal, I assume anal was taking place, (just like we assume a bj was taking place in Aroused) they probably just finished like you said. The oil is part of the equation because he previously just got turned on seeing her oil wrestling the other girl, when he was talking to the midget at the bar.  Wink



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« Reply #1361 on: September 28, 2015, 06:42:18 AM »

I won't reply to all, no use. But in Aroused (as in Tightrope, where there's just a cut) the bj is not "assumed". It is just not shown. 

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« Reply #1362 on: September 28, 2015, 06:53:08 AM »

I won't reply to all, no use. But in Aroused (as in Tightrope, where there's just a cut) the bj is not "assumed". It is just not shown. 

I think we like both movies we are just arguing over degrees of like, you'r right its no use.

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« Reply #1363 on: September 30, 2015, 07:26:08 AM »

Blade Runner (1982) I give it 9/10 because I don't like some of the architectures, which make some of the images too flat. The rest is OK.

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« Reply #1364 on: October 03, 2015, 05:39:50 PM »

It certainly is. For You. Grin

Watch it and report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaNa59iS4Uo

It's watchable, about a 5/10 though.

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