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: so what is IL CATTIVO'S best non-LEONE performance? u decide. voting will close december 2nd
RYAN(from DEATH RIDES A HORSE)   -7 (46.7%)
FRANK TALBY( from DAY OF ANGER)   -0 (0%)
SABATA(from SABATA and RETURN OF SABATA)   -3 (20%)
CORBURT(from THE BIG GUNDOWN)   -4 (26.7%)
CUDLIP(from BEYOND THE LAW)   -1 (6.7%)
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« #15 : November 22, 2005, 01:35:24 AM »

I agree with Derringdo that the only thing that makes the likes of Captain Apache and Bad Mans River watchable is the performance of Van Cleef himself.I draw an exception at Gods Gun because LVC has someone else (dreadfully) overdubbing his lines and my DVD copy is terrible.

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« #16 : December 06, 2005, 10:07:51 AM »

Hmm... for whatever reason, I've never found  The Big Gundown very compelling.  Van Cleef is perfectly serviceable in his role -- as he nearly always is, regardless of the picture -- but the film never grabbed me, and I've never been able to understand why, especially since it's widely considered a classic.


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« #17 : December 06, 2005, 10:28:04 AM »

I enjoyed The Big Gundown but I definatly preffered Run Man Run.


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« #18 : December 06, 2005, 12:35:13 PM »

Cuchillo is an INCREDIBLY annoying character that requires every grain of Milian's considerable skill to make palatable[.]

I'm actually glad to see someone else express this opinion.  While the character has some cool aspects to him, I mostly find him grating, and that might be the primary reason the movie hasn't ever been able to engage me properly.  I don't mind an unusual hero, but when I want to join in on beating him up and/or killing him, there's a problem.


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« #19 : December 06, 2005, 01:55:43 PM »

Derringo, reading your previous post about Cuchillo and Mifune rang the alarm bells of memory in my head. A memory surfaced of Milian describing Mifune's character in Seven Samurai and with that of Cuchillo. Whether thats my head making it up I'm not sure but I think I saw it in a doco somewhere about.


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« #20 : September 18, 2007, 09:39:39 AM »

Excerpt from Christopher Frayling's book Once Upon a Time in Italy: The Westerns of Sergio Leone, an interview with Lee Van Cleef given by Alex Cole...

"I came into this town in a stage play called Mr. Roberts. Stanley Kramer saw it and put me in a picture called HIGH NOON. The first time I went into his office he told me to go fix my nose and I told him to go fuck himself. So he told me that instead of playing the second lead I would have to play one of the silenct heavies. I said, "Fine - silent is the way I play." In fact, in the middle of the picture, Fred Zinnemann, the director, said, "I want you to say 'Howdy' or something to Ian Macdonald when he's getting down off the train, "and I said I didn't think I should - "I've been playing this silent, and if I open my mouth one iota it's going to destroy the strength of the character." And he agreed with me. Most actors like to talk a lot - I don't. I read scripts, and I cut the dialogue down to the barest essentials. I've always done that." - Lee Van Cleef

You know what I find funny about this. They tell him to go fix his nose and he tells them to "to fuck themselves" and he still gets a part.  ;D Talk about ballsy. Thank god he didn't fix that nose! It's one of the features that made good old Lee.

I also think Lee Van Cleef was right when he didn't like the idea of his character talking. If you watch High Noon, there's a mystery about his character because he's silent. I love Lee's judgement there. I'm happy Zinneman agreed!





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« #21 : September 18, 2007, 10:44:29 AM »

Lee is the Man!  O0 O0 O0

"Go and fuck yourself"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's brilliant in High Noon, but they killed him so stupid in the background. Zinneman knew how ti direct a good film, but didn't knew how to make a good finale. The final duel is laughable.
If you imagine it in SW or in Sam's style... mmmm. That would be fine.
If I directed it, I would have killed the hero too.  >:D


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« #22 : September 18, 2007, 11:30:11 AM »

Lee is the Man!  O0 O0 O0

"Go and fuck yourself"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's brilliant in High Noon, but they killed him so stupid in the background. Zinneman knew how ti direct a good film, but didn't knew how to make a good finale. The final duel is laughable.
If you imagine it in SW or in Sam's style... mmmm. That would be fine.
If I directed it, I would have killed the hero too.  >:D

 ;D I knew you'd love that Jill. Lee was definitely brilliant in High Noon. It amazes me how cool an actor can be without diologue. It just shows an actor can pull that off by seeing Lee in this film. He was a wonderful actor using his eyes to express his feelings.

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« #23 : May 04, 2020, 01:54:59 PM »

Check him out in a non western role in THE HARD WAY. Shot in Ireland in the late 70's.
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A brooding film in which one feels the angst of the retiring Irish hit-man (Patrick McGoohan) who foolishly agrees to do one last assassination. This quiet film is poignantly "narrated" by the gunman's estranged wife whose memories enter the story to provide a framework and background for the tragic figure and his family. Any "Prisoner" fan will see parallels between aspects of this plot and McGoohan's previous series: an agent who wants to give up his covert work but is not let off the hook so easily by his masters. The agent decides to leave anyway and is pursued relentlessly by his former bosses. In "The Hard Way" this pursuit takes us through rural Ireland to a dramatic showdown with Lee Van Cleef. An understated, interesting study, worth a look.


I got this film on DVD, it's not bad, it was produced by John Boorman too. I'm a big fan of Van Cleef, McGoohan and Boorman, it's quite an interesting cat and mouse type film and plays a bit like a western. It's probably one of those films worth watching if it's ever on TV.


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« #24 : May 10, 2020, 07:04:34 PM »

I'm actually glad to see someone else express this opinion.?  While the character has some cool aspects to him, I mostly find him grating, and that might be the primary reason the movie hasn't ever been able to engage me properly.?  I don't mind an unusual hero, but when I want to join in on beating him up and/or killing him, there's a problem.

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