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« on: April 18, 2005, 02:05:33 AM »

Hi,
When Manco enterns Indio's den Indio asks him why did he help sancho out of jail. Manco replies -
"Well such a big reward been offered on all of you gentleman I thought I might tag along with your next robbery.
*MIGHT JUST TURN YOU INTO THE LAW*
Indio replies that this answers proves that he is all right. From what angle is the answer all right can someone please explain.  Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2005, 05:58:26 AM »

Hi,
When Manco enterns Indio's den Indio asks him why did he help sancho out of jail. Manco replies -
"Well such a big reward been offered on all of you gentleman I thought I might tag along with your next robbery.
*MIGHT JUST TURN YOU INTO THE LAW*
Indio replies that this answers proves that he is all right. From what angle is the answer all right can someone please explain.  Smiley

"Big reward on you gentleman" Respect between bandits maybe?
TURN YOU INTO THE LAW is a tail pull. Even thou both have a double-cross meanings from a Bounty Killer
Indio's band arn't just stealing tacos and liquor from behind a general stores. They take down big scores. How much dust you kick up in town defines the zeros in the your wanted poster.
Relentlessly murder of folk & stealing of federal money, must send the bounty throu the roof. Meaning higher stakes/ Meaning Monco is into make a higher cut of the money.

Another thing in FAFDM about Bandit  pride & proeess when it comes to the bounty on a wanted poster.
A remark by the Train Ticket Vendor to Mortimer on his arrival in town. Guy Callaway not being too happy with the portral of his infamous reputation "a measly thousand dollars is much to little" , then adding a few zeros to his wanted poster.

"...well...at least, it's been that way till now"  Wink

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2005, 09:08:22 AM »

That one answer explains it clearly.  Wink
btw: You have an awesome avtar.

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 08:31:21 PM »

"Big reward on you gentleman" Respect between bandits maybe?
TURN YOU INTO THE LAW is a tail pull. Even thou both have a double-cross meanings from a Bounty Killer
Indio's band arn't just stealing tacos and liquor from behind a general stores. They take down big scores. How much dust you kick up in town defines the zeros in the your wanted poster.
Relentlessly murder of folk & stealing of federal money, must send the bounty throu the roof. Meaning higher stakes/ Meaning Monco is into make a higher cut of the money.

Another thing in FAFDM about Bandit  pride & proeess when it comes to the bounty on a wanted poster.
A remark by the Train Ticket Vendor to Mortimer on his arrival in town. Guy Callaway not being too happy with the portral of his infamous reputation "a measly thousand dollars is much to little" , then adding a few zeros to his wanted poster.

"...well...at least, it's been that way till now"  Wink
i agree sancho, well put.  thanks smoke.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 04:24:48 PM »

  Here's my take on it: I think that Indio may very well have already been planning the annihilation of his own gang at the point Manco showed up.  As he said to Nino, I think that he knew from the start Monco was a bounty killer, and didn't really care overly much that he wiped out "Paco, Chico, Blackie" on the way to Santa Cruz.  He would've kept the gang intact long enough to rob the bank, and slowly cause his men to turn on each other.  It's pretty clear that this was intention anyway, he wanted the money and considered all of his men except Nino to be "useful idiots" (obviously he underestimated Groggy Wink ).  The arrival of Monco on the scene just helped speed up the process.

Just my take.

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2005, 03:43:38 AM »

Exactly.
Theres also that doomed quality to Indio. Obviously with the flashback baggage he's carrying.
The look on his face sometimes betrays that he knows either Mortimer or Monco will be his undoing.

The extanded cut of the beating helps this thoery (The cutting of this scene just helps a good guy & bad guy monoism, cut to the action shootout). On top of letting the Bounty Killers go to exterminate his gang, and Indio being quite distant from Groggy at the table playing with the insect. He's a man waiting to die.

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2005, 12:20:35 PM »

Thank you amigos for the clear explanations. Regarding dismissal of the band...we see everyone being killed right from Sleem ... Cuchilio... and ending by Indio and Groggy.

What happened to Sancho?

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2005, 12:48:49 PM »

Exactly.
Theres also that doomed quality to Indio. Obviously with the flasback baggage he's carrying.
The look on his face sometimes betrays that he knows either Mortimer or Monco will be his undoing.

The extanded cut of the beating helps this thoery (The cutting of this scene just helps a good guy & bad guy monoism, cut to the action shootout). On top of letting the Trio go to exterminate his gang, and Indio being quite distant from Groggy at the table playing with the insect. He's a man waiting to die.

"a man waiting to die" could that be the reason he went for the showdown with Mortimer knowing Manco was still out there somewhere probably waiting for the result of the shootout with a bullet ready??? Huh Huh

Anyway.... what did happen to Sancho. Are all the gang accounted for at the end when they are searching for Manco and Mortimer??? Huh Huh

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2005, 01:21:37 PM »

Re Sancho, he and the 2nd largest gang member (not ref to by name) were shot together, one by Manco and one by the Col. Their killings took place at a distance, with no close-ups of either, and it is only by process of elimination you know which 2 were killed!

IOW Sancho (and AN Other) were  killed after Nino but b4 Huey & Frisco.

Hope that helps!






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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2005, 05:12:22 AM »

Someone dig up that Indio's Heroes thread...

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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2005, 11:13:41 PM »


Anyway.... what did happen to Sancho. Are all the gang accounted for at the end when they are searching for Manco and Mortimer??? Huh Huh

Ice


Yup. Counting Indio, there were 15 gang members. All are accounted for by the end of film.

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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2005, 08:57:23 AM »

Thank you amigos for the clear explanations. Regarding dismissal of the band...we see everyone being killed right from Sleem ... Cuchilio... and ending by Indio and Groggy.

What happened to Sancho?

First three to go were Blackie, Chico and Paco killed by Manco en route to Santa Cruz.

Twelve carried out the El Paso raid and you can count all twelve when they shoot open the drinks cabinet.

Next to go is Wild (Kinski) shot by Mortimer's derringer.

Then we have the internecine sequence with Nino stabbing Slim and Indio shooting Cuchillo before Groggy rumbles the plan and kills Nino.  And then there were eight!

Now it gets a little confusing.  Two including Sancho are shot jointly by Mortimer and Manco in the street.  I don't know which other was shot in this sequence, but Sancho was definitely one.

Then Mortimer turns the tables on yours truly  Embarrassed and another unknown bandit by shooting through the wagon's anchor rope.

Frisco and the third unknown bandit are then killed by Manco from the swivel chair.

Finally the showdown which disposes of Indio and then the aftermath in which Groggy is finished off.


The problem is these three unknown bandits who were killed with Sancho, Huey and Frisco.

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