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« on: May 07, 2005, 05:48:57 PM »

How many coins were in each of the bags of gold ? Its always intrigued me Huh Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2005, 07:38:49 AM »

Good question.  And how much would that amount in gold have weighed?  Gold the size of those sacks would be very heavy (gold is 19.3 times as dense as water). One thing I always like since I first saw it in 1968 was that the sacks were really filled with something heavy (such as rocks) so it looked realistic when Blondie hoisted them onto the horse (can see that the horse definitely notices the weight).  One can often tell by the actors' motions that they're not exerting themselves or struggling to lift things in film and TV.  Too many directors use lightweight stuff as props (fake boulders, newspapers stuffed in bags), and it can look quite hokey.  So chalk up another reality bit for Sergio.  And didn't I see a photo where Alberto Grimaldi had the "gold coins" made into a fountain or something?

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2005, 03:55:37 PM »

what kind of coins would they have been. gold dollars would have been worth more than a dollar and you surely couldn't spend them, so what is the point of them ...why not just have gold bars. There obviously weren't 20000 or so coins in each bag Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2005, 08:23:02 PM »

I thought it was 100,000?

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't that also the budget of FOD?

Hmm, what a prequel! Blondie and the gang after the money so that they could make the "sequel" Grin

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2005, 08:29:58 PM »

Don't know the number of coins, but since there were 8 bags, you have to have $25,000 per bag.  I'm glad that the weight was noticiable.  In Kelly's Heroes, the boxes of gold bars appear to be has heavy as an empty wooden box. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2005, 05:23:57 AM »

Pretty sure that both the amount in the cash box and the Fo$ budget are 200,000.

As far as I can remember the only line that specifically refers to the amount is Bill Carson's: "200,000 in gold... it's yours, just get me some water!"

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2005, 09:04:35 AM »

I think we can assume that it was really $200K, I can't imagine an upstanding citizen like Carson/Jackson telling a fib.  Assuming that the coins were U.S. (not Confederate), common denomination would've been $20 double-eagle from the size of the coins, I believe they were too large to be $10 eagles.  Obviously coins would've been easier to split up than gold bars.  Now,if the coins were Confederate coins, I don't know if their denominations would've been the same (remember, they were americans, too, wouldn't have wanted total disruption of their economy.

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2005, 02:38:54 PM »

If we can estimate how many coins in each sack we can work out what the coins were worth. If they were $20 dollar double eagles then there would have been 1250 coins in each bag. There doesn't look that many. And that is assuming the coin was worth $20 in gold. If gold prices go up does the coins value go up?HuhHuhHuh
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2005, 05:21:16 PM »

In 186whatever, a 20 dollar gold coin was worth 20 dollars. The fluctuating in price of precious metals is a modern phenom.

An earlier thread talked about the coins. The most likely scenario concerned the Louisiana Mint:

"The New Orleans Mint began the year 1861 by producing 330,000 halves as a branch mint of the United States. On January 26th, 1861, the State of Louisiana seceded from the Union and the Mint, along with nearly $5,000,000.00 in silver and gold, was seized by Lousiana militia on Jan. 31, 1861. The Mint personnel were forced to strike silver half dollars and $20 gold coins using the existing U.S. coinage dies that were on hand. "

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2005, 08:48:03 AM »

I agree, they would have been gold Liberty Head/Double Eagle $20 coins. Don't forget that the CSA did not form until 1861, just before the outbreak of the Civil War (correct?). In the GBU, the Union allegedly stole the coins from the Confederates ("Yankee Ambush") but as we know . . . Thus, just before the war, both the North and the South would have been using the same gold coins. During the war, the South planned but never produced gold coins.

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2005, 05:53:17 PM »

According to Once Upon a Time in the West Commentary the budget for Fistful of Dollars was $250,000. As for the money bags I would assumer each bag contained $25,000.

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2005, 03:13:44 PM »

OK Guys..so what would the equivalent bags of gold be worth in todays money taking inflation into account Huh Huh Huh

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2005, 03:29:20 PM »

Good question.  And how much would that amount in gold have weighed?  Gold the size of those sacks would be very heavy (gold is 19.3 times as dense as water). One thing I always like since I first saw it in 1968 was that the sacks were really filled with something heavy (such as rocks) so it looked realistic when Blondie hoisted them onto the horse (can see that the horse definitely notices the weight).  One can often tell by the actors' motions that they're not exerting themselves or struggling to lift things in film and TV.  Too many directors use lightweight stuff as props (fake boulders, newspapers stuffed in bags), and it can look quite hokey.  So chalk up another reality bit for Sergio.  And didn't I see a photo where Alberto Grimaldi had the "gold coins" made into a fountain or something?

Have you ever seen the scene in The Great Silence where I think the Sheriff is drinking a cup of something, but it's so blantantly empty that's it's almost funny. I know it was a very small budget but surely water isn't that expensive!

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2005, 03:07:00 AM »

In 186whatever, a 20 dollar gold coin was worth 20 dollars. The fluctuating in price of precious metals is a modern phenom.

An earlier thread talked about the coins. The most likely scenario concerned the Louisiana Mint:

"The New Orleans Mint began the year 1861 by producing 330,000 halves as a branch mint of the United States. On January 26th, 1861, the State of Louisiana seceded from the Union and the Mint, along with nearly $5,000,000.00 in silver and gold, was seized by Lousiana militia on Jan. 31, 1861. The Mint personnel were forced to strike silver half dollars and $20 gold coins using the existing U.S. coinage dies that were on hand. "

Does that mean the size of the coin was determined by how much gold was worth at the time, or the size of the dies??

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2005, 04:52:51 AM »

I always thought the gold was stolen by Carson during the confusion of a Yankee ambush (I think Carson was a Confederate) Wink

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