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« #15 : July 31, 2005, 11:29:55 AM »

  I don't think FOD is the first spaghetti western, it was just the first well-known one released in America.  There were other spaghetti westerns released before then, they just weren't as successful.

  Or at least i thought so.

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« #16 : July 31, 2005, 02:43:25 PM »

FOD is the first SW. before it there were all kinds of euro westerns (one was made by Leone's father too, in the silent era, with Leone's mother as female lead), the most successful being the german ones based on Karl May's novels. But they were not spaghetti: which doesn't simply mean westerns "made in Italy" (or Europe) but westerns based on a series of "topoi" (commonplaces, myths, narrative strategies) which Leone as first and singlehandedly defined.
Consequently, in italian language the critics (but also the common parley) distinguish between a generical "western italiano" (italian western); and "western all'taliana" (the expression meaning literally meaning: western the way the italians do it), the SW, i.e.   




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« #17 : July 18, 2006, 09:34:57 PM »

FOD is the first SW.




Corbucci's "minnesota clay" had a lot of spaghetti type influences peeking out of it before FOD even was released.
But yes mostly it was movies that copied the American style.




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« #18 : July 18, 2006, 09:35:56 PM »

FOD is the first SW. before it there were all kinds of euro westerns (one was made by Leone's father too, in the silent era, with Leone's mother as female lead)



it was called the "Indian vampire".




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« #19 : July 19, 2006, 07:17:52 AM »

But yes mostly it was movies that copied the American style.
I think its fair to say that there were a fair few post FOD Italian westerns(and some beforehand) that exclusively copied the American style rather than Leone,Corbucci etc but my preferences definately lie within the latter.I'd have to go along with Titoli's line of thinking here with FOD being the first bonefide SPAGHETTI, talking strictly in terms of style.Maybe you could call the likes of Minnesota Clay and Gunfight At Red Sands pre-cursors to the sw's.

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