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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2005, 04:52:02 PM »

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Of course, an even simpler explanation is at hand. Mallory, in an unguarded moment, answers Juan by giving him the first name to come to mind (his "true" name), then, recovering, resumes the alias he is currently using, the one the British government and its newspapers know him by.
That was my point. Why would in his homeland, would he be known as John, if he is Sean?

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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2005, 08:34:28 PM »

He may have TWO names. It would work like this: he was christened "Sean" by his family, but the British government anglicized his name for official purposes (or he anglicized it himself when operating covertly in the dominant anglo-saxon culture, and the government began to know him by that alias). I'm sure there are many cases of Irishmen being known as "Sean" in their own culture whilst using "John" outside it.

Another possibility is this: he was indeed christened "John" but when he got involved in the revolution he decided it was not sufficiently partriotic for him to continue to use a name that came from the occupier's culture. So Malory changed his name to be more Irish.

Either way, Malory identifies his "essential" self as "Sean", just as the theme music of the movie does.

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2005, 05:01:51 PM »

he was christened "Sean" by his family, but the British government anglicized his name for official purposes

What an utterly bizarre theory. Can you name a single historical precedent where this happened with anybody in Ireland in this period of any class, never mind a univesity educated, upper middle class "gentleman" like Coburn's character?

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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2005, 05:59:07 PM »

Historical precedent? I was talking about the backstory to........a movie.

I did give a choice of backstories. If you don't find one persuasive, pick another. Their only purpose is to rationalize what is revealed in the movie itself, that Malory is both John and Sean.

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2005, 07:13:23 PM »

 Grin I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on the this 'un Dave.

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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2005, 12:32:11 AM »

Yup.

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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2005, 06:15:27 AM »

Can you name a single historical precedent where this happened with anybody in Ireland in this period of any class, never mind a univesity educated, upper middle class "gentleman" like Coburn's character?

Hey now, that's not really fair. It's kinda like saying, "Can you name a single historical precedent for a fortune in gold being buried in an unmarked grave next to Arch Stanton?"  Grin

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"Can you name even one millionaire industrialist playboy who decided to dress up like a bat and fight crime after dark?"  Wink

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