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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2005, 01:46:53 AM »

So far i've been tending to look at westerns from a certain era but i don't see any reason why i shouldn't include Tombstone(which i haven't seen) if it has an Italian influence.Leone admirer, i also haven't seen The Quick And The Dead,again a more recent western with a purported SW influence-have you and is it any good?

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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2005, 03:53:22 PM »

So far i've been tending to look at westerns from a certain era but i don't see any reason why i shouldn't include Tombstone(which i haven't seen) if it has an Italian influence.Leone admirer, i also haven't seen The Quick And The Dead,again a more recent western with a purported SW influence-have you and is it any good?


THE QUICK AND THE DEAD is not for everyone. in the very same way that raimi's EVIL DEAD is not for everyone. it is a very campy film. personally i like some cheese in movies myself. which is why i enjoyed the quick and the dead. there is  a few times the film takes itself seriously for example a scene that is a flashback very much the same as HARMONICA'S flashback in WEST, but other wise it is more of a satire to spag westerns rather than paying tribute to them. but u will have a good time watching it though. is it worth a buy? it depends on youre taste. check out on television first. or rent.


u should see how GENE HACKMAN dies at the end it is so hilarious. he gets shot in the eye and he gets propelled back about ten feet causing him to flip in the air once or twice( ;Dclassic Grin)


which reminds me GENE HACKMEN seems keen on playing a bad guy whenever he is in a western. UNFORGIVEN, THE QUICK AND THE DEAD, there is one more i have heard of that he plays a baddie but i forgot the title.

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2005, 07:50:56 PM »

If you mean Eugenio Martin's Pancho Villa, that's Spanish-directed, and Spanish-co-produced, so as "Spaghetti" in pedigree as his Bounty Killer or his other westerns, though not necessarily in feel.

Barquero is considered a very spagh-influenced AW, I haven't seen it, the couple here who have don't like it, but there are SW fans who do (ones with enough taste to not care for Captain Apache, so it's not like they're part of the "Anything with Lee!" bloc).


i did not care much for BARQUERO myself. they play it constantly(or used to) on the ENCORE WESTERNS channel. but thank u for saying that it was an american western, i had always thought it was a spag.
the shining moment of the film is in the very beginning there is a town massacre, and the main villian is sleeping with a wife of a farmer(in the midst of the carnage), the husband comes in and sees what is going on and is immediatly shot by the main baddie. when they have finished with there love making the wife(now widow) asks the baddie if she will be seeing him again, he replies with a "never" and shoots her.

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2005, 09:16:51 PM »

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy (crazy Spaghetti Western laughter)

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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2005, 09:29:43 PM »

Oh and add "El Condor" to the BAD list.

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2005, 05:08:17 AM »

Thanks Hex,i'll stick Quick and the Dead under bad for now(when i next update) until i've seen it or if we get some disagreement!
Cigar Joe-El Condors already there!

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2005, 08:21:03 AM »

Yes but i'm only taking notice from members of this board so the verdicts still fairly open on The Quick and the Dead!

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2005, 04:33:45 PM »

Today I watched Day of the Evil Gun starring Glenn Ford, from 1968, and was obviously inspired by SWs. It was on Turner Classic Movies and said before the movie started that it was originally going to be a TV movie but ended up being shown in theaters. It's not a real good movie, but it has its moments I guess.

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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2005, 01:38:19 AM »

Thanks Christopher,i'm kicking myself for not watching this myself but i'll add it on next time i update.

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2005, 07:46:47 AM »

GOOD(very good or exceptional!)

WILD BUNCH(1969,Sam Peckinpah/William Holden)*
HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER(1973,Clint Eastwood/Eastwood)
TWO MULES FOR SISTER SARAH(1970,Siegel/Eastwood)
GUNS FOR SAN SEBASTIAN(1968,H.Verneuil/A.Quinn)*
LONG RIDERS(1980,Walter Hill/David Carradine)*
WELCOME TO HARD TIMES(1967,B.Kennedy/H. Fonda)
PALE RIDER(1985,Clint Eastwood/Eastwood)
RED SUN(1971,Terence Young/Charles Bronson)*
100 RIFLES(1969,Tom Gries/Jim Brown/Burt Reynolds)*
HANG EM HIGH(1968,Ted Post/Clint Eastwood)
VALDEZ IS COMING(1971,E.Sherin/Burt Lancaster)
THE PROFESSIONALS(1966,Richard Brooks/Lee Marvin)*
VILLA RIDES(1968,Buzz Kulik/Yul Brynner)*
PAT GARRETT & BILLY THE KID(1973,Peckinpah/Coburn)
THE DESERTER(1971,Burt Kennedy/Chuck Connors)
WILL PENNY(1968,Tom Gries/Charlton Heston)*
DAY OF THE EVIL GUN(1968,Jerry Thorpe/Glen Thorpe)
TOMBSTONE(1993,George P.Costmatos,Kurt Russell)

BAD(but entertaining?)

CHATO'S LAND(1972 Michael Winner/Charles Bronson)*
SHALAKO(1968,Edward Dymytryk/Sean Connery)*
EL CONDOR(1970,John Guillermin/Jim Brown/Van Cleef)
JOE KIDD(1972,John Sturges/Clint Eastwood)
EL TOPO(1970,A.Jodorowsky/Jodorowsky)*
QUICK AND THE DEAD(1995,Sam Raimi/Sharon Stone)

UGLY(little, if any redeeming features!)

TOWN CALLED HELL(1971,Robert Parrish/Robert Shaw) *
PANCHO VILLA(1972,Eugenio Martin/Telly Savalas)

UNRATED WESTERNS(help needed-please!!)

BIG JAKE(1971,George Sherman/John Wayne)
MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE(1968,R.Sparr/Clint Waker)
FIVE SAVAGE MEN(1970,Ron Joy/Henry Silva)

In brackets are original release year,director and star(s).

* indicates where movie is discussed on a  thread elsewhere

Many thanks everone for keeping this thing going!!!
I've now added Day Of The Evil Gun and Tombstone to the "goods".The Quick and the Dead seems to have divided views at present so it's "bad-but entertaining".
Think i'll scour through the "other film" archives next for more possibilities!

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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2005, 07:58:21 AM »

GOOD(very good or exceptional!)

WILD BUNCH(1969,Sam Peckinpah/William Holden)*
HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER(1973,Clint Eastwood/Eastwood)
TWO MULES FOR SISTER SARAH(1970,Siegel/Eastwood)
GUNS FOR SAN SEBASTIAN(1968,H.Verneuil/A.Quinn)*
LONG RIDERS(1980,Walter Hill/David Carradine)*
WELCOME TO HARD TIMES(1967,B.Kennedy/H. Fonda)
PALE RIDER(1985,Clint Eastwood/Eastwood)
RED SUN(1971,Terence Young/Charles Bronson)*
100 RIFLES(1969,Tom Gries/Jim Brown/Burt Reynolds)*
HANG EM HIGH(1968,Ted Post/Clint Eastwood)
VALDEZ IS COMING(1971,E.Sherin/Burt Lancaster)
THE PROFESSIONALS(1966,Richard Brooks/Lee Marvin)*
VILLA RIDES(1968,Buzz Kulik/Yul Brynner)*
PAT GARRETT & BILLY THE KID(1973,Peckinpah/Coburn)
THE DESERTER(1971,Burt Kennedy/Chuck Connors)
WILL PENNY(1968,Tom Gries/Charlton Heston)*
DAY OF THE EVIL GUN(1968,Jerry Thorpe/Glen Thorpe)
TOMBSTONE(1993,George P.Costmatos,Kurt Russell)

BAD(but entertaining?)

CHATO'S LAND(1972 Michael Winner/Charles Bronson)*
SHALAKO(1968,Edward Dymytryk/Sean Connery)*
EL CONDOR(1970,John Guillermin/Jim Brown/Van Cleef)
JOE KIDD(1972,John Sturges/Clint Eastwood)
EL TOPO(1970,A.Jodorowsky/Jodorowsky)*
QUICK AND THE DEAD(1995,Sam Raimi/Sharon Stone)

UGLY(little, if any redeeming features!)

TOWN CALLED HELL(1971,Robert Parrish/Robert Shaw) *
PANCHO VILLA(1972,Eugenio Martin/Telly Savalas)

UNRATED WESTERNS(help needed-please!!)

BIG JAKE(1971,George Sherman/John Wayne)
MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE(1968,R.Sparr/Clint Waker)
FIVE SAVAGE MEN(1970,Ron Joy/Henry Silva)

In brackets are original release year,director and star(s).

* indicates where movie is discussed on a  thread elsewhere

Many thanks everone for keeping this thing going!!!
I've now added Day Of The Evil Gun and Tombstone to the "goods".The Quick and the Dead seems to have divided views at present so it's "bad-but entertaining".
Think i'll scour through the "other film" archives next for more possibilities!


have u seen PALE RIDER? i have always heard it was pure crap so never bothered watching it. but i guess that is no way to say something about a film u have not seen. it comes to my attention that it is pretty much HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER only that EASYWOOD isnt a complete prick.

as for THE QUICK AND THE DEAD i saw it for 9.99 at BEST BUY i think ill pick it up soon. i enjoyed it. i cant speak for any one else.

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2005, 08:26:06 AM »

I've always found The Quick and the Dead to be somewhat painful to watch. When I watched God's Gun earlier this year, I realized The Quick and the Dead seems to be mimicking those type of camera moves, rather than someone like Leone. Sam Raimi is paying a homage to bad westerns, I guess. Grin

And speaking of God's Gun, is that really considered a Spaghetti Western? I noticed the director's first name is Frank. Huh Doesn't sound very Italian to me.

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2005, 08:30:42 AM »

I've always found The Quick and the Dead to be somewhat painful to watch. When I watched God's Gun earlier this year, I realized The Quick and the Dead seems to be mimicking those type of camera moves, rather than someone like Leone. Sam Raimi is paying a homage to bad westerns, I guess. Grin

And speaking of God's Gun, is that really considered a Spaghetti Western? I noticed the director's first name is Frank. Huh Doesn't sound very Italian to me.

FRANK KRAMER is a pen name. it was an attempt to make the film seem more american(something itailians were keen on the first few years of the spag. frank kramer is the same director for SABATA. i forgot his real name now. i would check on my dvd but the damn thing says FRANK KRAMER on it!

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2005, 08:31:08 AM »

And speaking of God's Gun, is that really considered a Spaghetti Western? I noticed the director's first name is Frank. Huh Doesn't sound very Italian to me.


God's Gun (Diamante Lobo) was directed by
Gianfranco Parolini.....who had a LOT of aliases  Shocked

Robert F. Atkinson
John Eastwood
Cehett Grooper
F. Kramer
Frank Kramer
Frank Littleword
Frank Littlewords
J. Francis Littlewords
John Francis Littlewords
G.F. Parolini
John Francis Scott 

My favorite is Cehett Grooper..great name  Grin

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2005, 08:35:05 AM »

John Eastwood? That's hysterical! Grin

I knew that names were changed to make it seem more American to Italian audiences, but I figured most of those would have been changed back. But of course, since this guy made a lot of movies under aliases. From the look of the movie, I had assumed that an American was trying to do the work of an Italian. Cheesy

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