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« Reply #165 on: November 19, 2017, 05:02:42 AM »

Pacing and Tuco ARE why I say Once is the better film.  The GBU dragged in numerous places. Tuco bordered on slapstick...

That's exactly what everyone who dislikes GBU always gives for a reason, I call it the Tuco Factor. Me I think he's great, if I'm in the mood for a serious Western I go OUATITW if not I choose GBU.

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« Reply #166 on: November 19, 2017, 06:46:30 AM »

That's exactly what everyone who dislikes GBU always gives for a reason, I call it the Tuco Factor. Me I think he's great, if I'm in the mood for a serious Western I go OUATITW if not I choose GBU.
That's pretty much the way I roll, too. Which is why I've seen GBU about 10 times more than West.

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« Reply #167 on: November 19, 2017, 06:51:27 AM »

From a technical standpoint, OUATITW is better than GBU but the difference isn't as great as between GBU and everything that came before. I think the difference isn't enough to differenciate the two movies for most people (it could be enough for me).

GBU is easier, lighter and funnier to watch.
OUATITW is more serious, ambitious and sad.

So it really depends on your mood. I have a strong preference for OUATITW because I have a thing for ambition and it talks to me on a deeper level (while the teenage nihilism of GBU is borderline ridiculous), but I've watched GBU more often.

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« Reply #168 on: November 19, 2017, 08:37:53 AM »

They are both fabulous movies, but GBU had too many instances where Leone wanted me to accept the implausible.  The scene were Blondie is rescued by the mortar fire.  The whole scenario where Angel Eyes suddenly pops up with RANK and RUNNING a prison camp. I didn't like the civil war angle of the movie at all and felt it padded down and dragged the movie.  Tuco is OK, but bordered on slapstick.  Again, GBU is a great movie. I just think that Once Upon a time is the more serious and plausible movie. If i was a professor giving a class to art or film making students, Once would be the movie i would use to teach...

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« Reply #169 on: November 19, 2017, 08:54:05 AM »

They are both fabulous movies, but GBU had too many instances where Leone wanted me to accept the implausible.  The scene were Blondie is rescued by the mortar fire.  The whole scenario where Angel Eyes suddenly pops up with RANK and RUNNING a prison camp. I didn't like the civil war angle of the movie at all and felt it padded down and dragged the movie.  Tuco is OK, but bordered on slapstick.  Again, GBU is a great movie. I just think that Once Upon a time is the more serious and plausible movie. If i was a professor giving a class to art or film making students, Once would be the movie i would use to teach...

Angel Eyes doesn’t merely “pop up” running the prison camp in the long version - there Is an explanation at the “fort scene”: the Confederate soldier tells him that if Bill Carson is alive he would be at Betterville. This explains why Angel Eyes specifically enlists to work at Betterville. Assuming he had been an officer before the war, it’s not implausible that he enlists and asks to be assigned to the prison camp.

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« Reply #170 on: November 19, 2017, 09:08:32 AM »

Both films are 95% implausible to me Grin
But both also work in their own world. GBU is supposed to feel cartoonish.

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« Reply #171 on: November 19, 2017, 10:02:36 AM »

Angel Eyes doesn’t merely “pop up” running the prison camp in the long version - there Is an explanation at the “fort scene”: the Confederate soldier tells him that if Bill Carson is alive he would be at Betterville. This explains why Angel Eyes specifically enlists to work at Betterville. Assuming he had been an officer before the war, it’s not implausible that he enlists and asks to be assigned to the prison camp.

Ok. I have to go back and rewatch that scene.  What about Blondie being rescued by the mortar fire? lol   I'm just kidding. Like i said, and noodles pointed out, GBU was intended to be more of a "fun" movie, whereas Once never, ever intended to be that way...

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« Reply #172 on: November 19, 2017, 06:44:59 PM »

Ok. I have to go back and rewatch that scene.  What about Blondie being rescued by the mortar fire? lol   I'm just kidding. Like i said, and noodles pointed out, GBU was intended to be more of a "fun" movie, whereas Once never, ever intended to be that way...

The war keeps intefering/intervening on the adventures of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly... that IS the story  Smiley

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« Reply #173 on: November 20, 2017, 03:15:51 AM »

The war keeps intefering/intervening on the adventures of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly... that IS the story  Smiley

No, that's a side aspect.

The treasure hunt and the cat and mouse games are the center of the film. I think it would have been an equally great film without the civil war parts.

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« Reply #174 on: November 20, 2017, 06:13:16 AM »

GBU had too many instances where Leone wanted me to accept the implausible.  The scene were Blondie is rescued by the mortar fire. 

I started a list once detailing where pure serendipity helped in GBU.  Above, for sure.  Stevens blurting out information about the hidden gold when Angel Eyes knew nothing about that.  The carriage in the dessert at the perfect time.  Tuco and Blondie being so close to Mission San Antonio.  Tuco and Blondie ending up in prison camp where Angel Eyes was.  Angel Eyes overhearing that Wallace had called out "Bill Carson".  Tuco who knew so much about guns (shop scene) couldn't get Wallace's pistol to work.  Tuco finding his way to the town where Blondie and Angel Eyes were.  Others as well....




The war keeps intefering/intervening on the adventures of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly... that IS the story  Smiley

I first saw GBU when I was 15.  I didn't realize then that GBU is a huge anti-war film, one may gloss over that at first.  Leone definitely intended that.

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« Reply #175 on: November 20, 2017, 06:29:36 AM »

That's pretty much the way I roll, too. Which is why I've seen GBU about 10 times more than West.

For me probably the other way round.
OUTW belongs to the films I watched the most. Next to 2001, TWB, PG & BtK, Eight and a Half and a few more. GBU is of course close, and Leone's other westerns (of which I surely watched MNIN the most) are also featured pretty high on that unwritten list.

Peckinpah and Leone are always fun to watch ...

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« Reply #176 on: November 20, 2017, 08:16:37 AM »

OUATITW is a heavy drama experience; for me, those  sorts of movies that require a big emotional commitment can’t be viewed as often as those that are lighter, like GBU. I don’t know if I’d necessarily say that lighter movies are BETTER than heavier ones, but they can certainly be viewed more frequently.

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« Reply #177 on: November 20, 2017, 08:17:59 AM »


Peckinpah and Leone are always fun to watch ...

I agree with exactly 50% of your statement  Wink

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« Reply #178 on: November 20, 2017, 09:49:10 AM »

OUATITW is a heavy drama experience; for me, those  sorts of movies that require a big emotional commitment can’t be viewed as often as those that are lighter, like GBU. I don’t know if I’d necessarily say that lighter movies are BETTER than heavier ones, but they can certainly be viewed more frequently.

Nope, not for me.
OUTW is slightly more fun to watch than GBU, and OUTW and GBU are more fun to watch than the other Leones, cause they are better. Maybe they are better cause they are more fun. Whatever ...

Ohh, and 2001 is much more fun to watch than Star Wars. Just to give another extreme example how things work for me.

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« Reply #179 on: November 20, 2017, 03:03:08 PM »

I started a list once detailing where pure serendipity helped in GBU.  Above, for sure.  Stevens blurting out information about the hidden gold when Angel Eyes knew nothing about that.  The carriage in the dessert at the perfect time.  Tuco and Blondie being so close to Mission San Antonio.  Tuco and Blondie ending up in prison camp where Angel Eyes was.  Angel Eyes overhearing that Wallace had called out "Bill Carson".  Tuco who knew so much about guns (shop scene) couldn't get Wallace's pistol to work.  Tuco finding his way to the town where Blondie and Angel Eyes were.  Others as well....




I first saw GBU when I was 15.  I didn't realize then that GBU is a huge anti-war film, one may gloss over that at first.  Leone definitely intended that.

Thats a lot of implausable stuff, lol.  I think Leone couldn't shake the Italian way of making westerns in GBU.  Its kinda got a Sabata tone to it. Not nowhere as close as Sabata, but in the same ballpark.

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