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« #240 : February 25, 2014, 12:16:44 PM »

Then of course, at the end, we see pure evil come out of hell in the personification of William Muny.

I don't think it was about that, him being pure evil, rather - him being just what his role in this life was.




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« #241 : February 25, 2014, 01:21:04 PM »

I don't think it was about that, him being pure evil, rather - him being just what his role in this life was.
As in  . . . unforgiven?



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« #242 : February 27, 2014, 03:56:25 PM »

As in  . . . unforgiven?

A pretty broad sweep, I think, which is why I never liked that title.

I'd have cared more for a neutral one, though right now I honestly can't think of one, hmm...




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« #243 : February 27, 2014, 04:51:14 PM »

The title of the script was "The Cut-Whore Killings" and the working title (which is on the film's slates) was "The William Munny Killings". That's neutral. Not great, thought.



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« #244 : February 27, 2014, 05:23:19 PM »

Unforgiven is a thought-provoking title. It's a round-about way of saying "The Damned," which is a title so long overused that it had to be retired. So getting at the same sentiment indirectly I thought was pretty clever. And once you've got that sussed, you can sit back and wait for the reveal of who it is exactly the title is talking about. By the end you realize it's referring pretty much to everybody in the film (except maybe the cut-up whore who, unintentionally, started it all), but mostly, of course, William Munny.



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« #245 : February 27, 2014, 08:45:07 PM »

and perhaps he is indeed forgiven at the end......


I imagine "The Cut-Whore Killings" is not a great title to attract younger audiences. Actually, it's a great way to attract younger audiences, but not a great way to have their parents allow them to go  ;)


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« #246 : February 28, 2014, 05:32:55 AM »

and perhaps he is indeed forgiven at the end......
Hardly.



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« #247 : February 28, 2014, 06:07:36 AM »

Yeah, that's why's the title pretty much a miss.

In the movie, the whole forgiving thing never takes flight, actually it isn't there at all. That's hinted at by Will Munny himself: ''deserve's got nothing to do with it''. There is no logical/merital (don't know if this word exists, but you know what I mean)/moral/ethical course of the cause and effect concept perpetuating itself by the doing (or undoing) of any character. Hence, Munny (here in focus, but could have easily been anyone else starting from Lil' Bill and the rest of the company) can not be trialed and in the extension forgiven/unforgiven by anyone (in the movie), for anything he did, past or present. Ironically, that's what everyone else in the movie - though obviously on a subconscious level - 'understands' (or better 'feels'). It takes Munny nearly 3.5/4 of the movie, and a handful of tries, self-pitying explanations and alibis to finally accept it, and start playing the gloriousless role he got in the circus of life.




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« #248 : February 28, 2014, 07:26:49 AM »

He's the only self-aware character in the film. The others are damned without realizing it, and Munny comes to understand his true state (as you say) only after going through most of the film. But I guess its better to know you're damned than not know it. A very nihilistic film.



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« #249 : June 19, 2014, 04:00:31 PM »

Unforgiven/Yurusarezaru Mono (2013), the Meiji-set remake of Eastwood's film, will show at the Japan Society on 15 July. I will probably go.



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« #250 : June 22, 2014, 08:17:35 AM »

Unforgiven/Yurusarezaru Mono (2013), the Meiji-set remake of Eastwood's film, will show at the Japan Society on 15 July. I will probably go.
Then the region-free Blu will be released in a Steelbook on July 28: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KWDWK58/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE



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« #251 : June 22, 2014, 08:31:06 AM »

But the movie looks rather bad, doesn't it?



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« #252 : June 23, 2014, 03:16:13 PM »

But the movie looks rather bad, doesn't it?
Dunno, haven't seen much about it.



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