Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1973)

[dave jenkins]

Well, titoli, we finally agree on something. I'm a big Iron Cross fan myself.

[cigar joe]

I haven't seen Cross of Iron yet 

[titoli]

Well, titoli, we finally agree on something.

Well, it is amazing that you say this, as I thought you were the one here with whom I shared most of my kind of approach. Of course, we can disagree on particulars, but that is not what counts, isn't it? (And even that it is not true, as you have probably already forgotten the thread on indians). And then, finally, I think we are in this forum to exchange, possibly, "different" opinions: if we shared the same ones, what we'd be doing here? talk about the weather?   

I haven't seen Cross of Iron yet 

Well, this is one of those strange things. Almost everybody here seems to have seen (and liked) Alfredo Garcia, not one of the most famous Peckinpah's and also a movie without a star. And everybody seems to have missed a Coburn. How do you explain this? Must I assume that in USA the movie wasn't so easy to get?

[Banjo]

Cross of Iron contains Coburns best performance outside of DYS-out of the movies i've seen with him in so far !

[titoli]

agreed. and this makes the question of the scarce popularity of the movie even more amazing.

[cigar joe]

agreed. and this makes the question of the scarce popularity of the movie even more amazing.

Cross of Iron contains Coburns best performance outside of DYS-out of the movies i've seen with him in so far !

Its never even been on TV that I can remember and I've never seen it for rent in the Video Stores, what's up with that?

Just did a quick check on Amazon.com and the R1 version available is the Hen's Tooth DVD and apparently its very cut

[Leone Admirer]

There is supposed to be a new SE of Cross of iron coming out soon I believe in R2. I havent seen this film in a while and am tempted to pick it up. I'm still waiting for my Peckinpah boxset though  (Oh well I've just made a start of my unwatched noirs, I watched A Dark Corner last night which was fantastic and am moving on tonight to see A Kiss Of Death  )

[Groggy]

Well, just so you know, Bo Hopkins (and not Kristofferson) was Peckinpah's original choice for Billy.  Make of that what you will.

[cigar joe]

Bo Hopkins huh, very interesting, thanks Groggy.


And LA, Dark Corner is great, when Nick gets out of prison & goes straight the little neighborhood where he lives is along side Astoira Park (the Two Bridges in the bg.) as a kid I used to go there with the folks and watch the ships go by in the East River.

Though the commentators get it wrong when Nick and family are waiting for the train that scene is along the Hudson River not anywhere near Astoria.

[Leone Admirer]

And LA, Dark Corner is great, when Nick gets out of prison & goes straight the little neighborhood where he lives is along side Astoira Park (the Two Bridges in the bg.) as a kid I used to go there with the folks and watch the ships go by in the East River.

Though the commentators get it wrong when Nick and family are waiting for the train that scene is along the Hudson River not anywhere near Astoria.

Oh wow! That must have been amazing. It was fun watching it and recognising bits of New York that I am familair with and seeing them in the movie from 1946.

[titoli]

Just did a quick check on Amazon.com and the R1 version available is the Hen's Tooth DVD and apparently its very cut

Then get yourself the Region2:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056QAJ/qid=1137867505/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-0496406-8747637

[cigar joe]

Still off topic but Richard Widmark as Udo is a hoot, right over the top, lol.

[grandpa_chum]

as for cross of iron... I've yet to see a peckinpah film I didn't love... cross of iron, osterman weekend, straw dogs, junior bonner, and yes, even convoy was pretty damn good.

[titoli]

I think that Osterman Weekend ranks with its best, I prefer it to Garcia: it's a mystery to me why this last is so appreciated and the former generally it isn't.   Junior Bonner, Straw Dogs and Convoy are OK, but I don't think they rank with Cross of Iron. Can you anyway explain the matter with this movie in USA?

[Sackett]

I really like PBand BTK.  Dylan's score was terrific, but its a shame he was in the movie.  Matter of factly, when Young Guns came out, its score was compared unfavoraably with PG and BTK.  Understandable.  Who could write music like Dylan. I agree about Kris, but thats Kris being Kris. 
I enjoy its huge cast of stars and supporting actors  especially getting a few glimpses of Rita Coolidge.