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« on: March 14, 2006, 01:27:30 PM »

...Indio managed to win the gunfight? What would be Monco's reaction to Mortimer's death?

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2006, 02:41:16 PM »

...Indio managed to win the gunfight? What would be Monco's reaction to Mortimer's death?


Manco would obviously have shot him and collected the bounty on his head anyway.


It was really a lose lose situation with Indio in the final duel.

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2006, 02:53:40 PM »


Manco would obviously have shot him and collected the bounty on his head anyway.


It was really a lose lose situation with Indio in the final duel.

Yeah that's obvious but...

After Monco (By the way it's Manco or Monco?) shoot Indio, how would he have reacted to the death of the Colonel? Would he feel sorry or just think "good, more cash for me."?

Also, isn't there the possibility that Indio could draw fast enough to take off Mortimer and Monco quickly using the Eastwood's triple-shot™ (only it's double-shot in this case)?

I don't remember if Monco's rifle was triggered or aiming at Indio, if so he'd be dead for sure.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2006, 03:32:37 PM »

The question makes no sense at all. What chance's got Indio against Mortimer? None at all. Mortimer is one of the best shot around, that's why Indio arranges things so as to have an undisputable advantage against him. If he felt sure, he would stage a regular duel like the one at the beginning against Robledo. The correct question should be what would happen if the Colonel died of a stroke before drawing. In that case Indio would turn against Il Monco and be shot by him.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2006, 04:59:42 PM »

The question makes no sense at all. What chance's got Indio against Mortimer? None at all. Mortimer is one of the best shot around, that's why Indio arranges things so as to have an undisputable advantage against him. If he felt sure, he would stage a regular duel like the one at the beginning against Robledo. The correct question should be what would happen if the Colonel died of a stroke before drawing. In that case Indio would turn against Il Monco and be shot by him.

OK, let's then assume that Indio is doomed anyway.

So he kills Mortimer, dies, and Monco lives.

The question now is:

What will Monco feel about Mortimer's death?
Would he feel sad?
Would he ignore?
What would he do?

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2006, 05:23:05 AM »

He would bury him, say a few laconic words like:"I don't know why but I'll miss you, Old Man."  And then go and cash the rewards money.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2006, 09:40:23 AM »


Manco would obviously have shot him and collected the bounty on his head anyway.


It was really a lose lose situation with Indio in the final duel.
Aren't  we forgetting that Groggy was still scratching around and wouldn't he have intervened a little earlier and this time more successfully?

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2006, 01:48:52 PM »

Aren't  we forgetting that Groggy was still scratching around and wouldn't he have intervened a little earlier and this time more successfully?

Well I guess Groggy wasn't too much able to go to the duel and shoot Monco right after Indio shoots Mortimer. He was badly wounded, remember.

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2006, 12:20:23 AM »

The question makes no sense at all. What chance's got Indio against Mortimer? None at all. Mortimer is one of the best shot around, that's why Indio arranges things so as to have an undisputable advantage against him. If he felt sure, he would stage a regular duel like the one at the beginning against Robledo. The correct question should be what would happen if the Colonel died of a stroke before drawing. In that case Indio would turn against Il Monco and be shot by him.
Excellent. But another question needs to be asked. Why, after Indio is forced to surrender his advantage, does he go through with the duel?  Why not draw early, or just run away? Why not stall for time by reminding Monco that Groggy is still around (okay, maybe he doesn't know this). Anyway, suddenly, for the first time in the film, Indio is operating on the level. Even he must realize this is not a recipe for success. So why go through with it?

My answer: Indio has been seeking his own death all along.

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2006, 09:32:32 AM »

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Why, after Indio is forced to surrender his advantage, does he go through with the duel?  Why not draw early, or just run away?


He abides to his own rules. He can twist them to suit his advantage, but can't go against them: he would cease to be himself. He has devised the game, he can't go against it.
Anyway, he can't draw earlier with any chance of success, as the Colonel is watching him. Also, he is at a disadvantage, as his hand has a longer trip to the gun. He's doomed, he knows it and accepts it: the memorable gesture and expression by which he closes his hand around the watch are the irrefutable proof that he is irritated at having been duped at his own game.
And of course, he can't run away without being shot in the back: I don't know about Mortimer, but Il monco would never hesitate a second about it.   





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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2006, 05:20:35 PM »

Aren't  we forgetting that Groggy was still scratching around and wouldn't he have intervened a little earlier and this time more successfully?

Leave me out of this. Tongue

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2006, 05:35:41 PM »


He's doomed, he knows it and accepts it: the memorable gesture and expression by which he closes his hand around the watch are the irrefutable proof that he is irritated at having been duped at his own game.


Another interpretation: when he closes his hand around the watch, he is affirming receipt of the prize he has long sought. Why is the watch, and the memory it evokes, so important to Indio? What is the longing at the heart of his obsession? It would be hard to argue that the dead girl is the chief object of interest; he may not have even known her. It can't be regret, either for what happened to the girl or for his unfulfilled lust. Indio is incapable of regret.

The failed rape is the defining moment in Indio's life. He had intended to deliver the girl to la petite mort, but she chose its greater cousin instead. Ever after, Indio has been obsessed with death, following it, watching it in the eyes of those he kills. After this prolonged flirtation, MORTimer, with il Monco officiating, brings Indio to the point of consumation.

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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 07:15:38 PM »

Dave, you're a poet.

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 11:57:11 PM »

Ya think? Could just be the Jimson weed talking....

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2006, 12:02:37 AM »

Ya think? Could just be the Jimson weed talking....

no I am sure it is just you.

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