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« : May 16, 2003, 10:52:59 AM »

My favorite non-spaghetti western is The Wild Bunch (1969). Sam Peckinpah along with Leone, Kubrick, and Orson Welles' films require multiiple viewings because of their complexities. People who often dismiss Peckinaph as just a "blood and guts alcoholic  director" do not understand that in his films, the violence is very raw and nothing to laugh at. His stories are always character driven and require alot of thought. And to this day, no one has ever directed and edited action sequences any better. The people who like the modern dumb*** action pictures of today would certainly disagree.

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« #1 : May 18, 2003, 06:27:37 PM »

Without a doubt, my favorite non-Eastwood western is The Wild Bunch. The only other Pechinpah directed movie I've seen is Straw Dogs. I've always liked that one as well. A very interesting role for Dustin Hoffman.

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« #2 : May 18, 2003, 07:06:14 PM »

Peckinpah's other well made films:

Ride the High Country (1962)
Ballad of Cable Hogue (1970)
The Getaway (1972)
Junior Bonner (1972)
Pat Garret and Billy the Kid (1973) the 121 minute version
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Cross of Iron (1977) one of the greatest war films

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« #3 : May 22, 2003, 07:25:20 AM »

The Osteman Weekend is extremely underated as well, check it out.

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« #4 : May 23, 2003, 06:40:13 AM »

The getaway is wonderful, from a good novel by Jim thompson.
the couple Ali/Steve is magic , good actions, suspense, fight  
one of the best Peckinpah


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« #5 : May 24, 2003, 04:09:53 AM »

In My Name is Nobody, there is a funny scene where Hill is looking at an indian's grave marked as 'SAMPECKINPAH', lol.


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« #6 : May 25, 2003, 09:14:50 AM »

GRAZIE, iL Brono, GRAZIE !!

once again. you live up to your name !  8)

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« #7 : May 25, 2003, 10:09:42 AM »

I hope you mean I live up to il 'buono', not il 'brono' ;)


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« #8 : May 25, 2003, 05:22:36 PM »

At least he didn't say Il stronzo, lol.


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« #9 : May 26, 2003, 11:48:09 AM »

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« #10 : June 02, 2003, 02:02:59 PM »

Cross of Iron is one of the great war movies of all time. A great James Coburn and a great Maximilian Schell.


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« #11 : June 15, 2007, 02:51:56 PM »

My favorite non-spaghetti western is The Wild Bunch (1969). Sam Peckinpah along with Leone, Kubrick, and Orson Welles' films require multiiple viewings because of their complexities. People who often dismiss Peckinaph as just a "blood and guts alcoholic  director" do not understand that in his films, the violence is very raw and nothing to laugh at. His stories are always character driven and require alot of thought. And to this day, no one has ever directed and edited action sequences any better. The people who like the modern dumb*** action pictures of today would certainly disagree.
It required multiple viewings, so that's what I gave it. My most well-worn DVD, bar none. What does anyone think of the inclusions of scenes not originally seen in the film. I think that viewed several times, these flashback's tend to slow the pace, and maybe it was wise to originally delete them.

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« #12 : June 15, 2007, 03:04:58 PM »

Good old Sam, we love him, my precioussss.  ;)

The Wild Bunch is probably the best American western - in my list OUTITW and TWB are the No. 1. Divided.     ;D

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« #13 : June 15, 2007, 03:09:28 PM »

FLASHBACKS: Oh no, they're essential.

The film could also be called  THE PIKE BISHOP STORY, as he is the centre. Through the back story, flashbacks and talk about the past - by the bunch as well as Thornton, Peckinpah deepens his character to make his last move, LET'S GO, justified: Bishop's life is a collection of defeats. Thornton gets caught (because 'being sure is' Bishop's business), he let's Crazy Lee die - a relative of the oldest Bunch member, people die for nothing (SILVER RINGS) at San Rafael/Starbuck, the woman he loved got killed because he was careless... The final straw is Angel. Bishop gave the o.k. that he could take a case of rifles for the indios. Now Mapache has him in his hands. For Bishop that is the final straw - one more defeat would be too much.

The less we know about him, the more it becomes a simple action piece. Which Peckinpah's films never are, always character driven. The Mapache scene was extremely important too: it is the only scene that shows him 'at work', in battle. Otherwise he would be nothing than a drunk Mexican.

Guys, we have a lot of Peckinpah-related threads here. Shouldn't we use just one?? I get confused.



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« #14 : June 15, 2007, 03:17:22 PM »

FLASHBACKS: Oh no, they're essential.

The film could also be called  THE PIKE BISHOP STORY, as he is the centre. Through the back story, flashbacks and talk about the past - by the bunch as well as Thornton, Peckinpah deepens his character to make his last move, LET'S GO, justified: Bishop's life is a collection of defeats. Thornton gets caught (because 'being sure is' Bishop's business), he let's Crazy Lee die - a relative of the oldest Bunch member, people die for nothing (SILVER RINGS) at San Rafael/Starbuck, the woman he loved got killed because he was careless... The final straw is Angel. Bishop gave the o.k. that he could take a case of rifles for the indios. Now Mapache has him in his hands. For Bishop that is the final straw - one more defeat would be too much.

The less we know about him, the more it becomes a simple action piece. Which Peckinpah's films never are, always character driven. The Mapache scene was extremely important too: it is the only scene that shows him 'at work', in battle. Otherwise he would be nothing than a drunk Mexican.

Guys, we have a lot of Peckinpah-related threads here. Shouldn't we use just one?? I get confused.
  Don't get confused! Get Happy! This is the best non-Leone topic going. I did like the Mapache scenes added in to flesh him out. But some of the flashbacks were almost repetitve in things we had already deduced. Pike thinking of Crazy Lee was unnecessary for we had already seen it. The DVDs should be presented in both versions, in case we just want a simple actioner that night.

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