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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2006, 06:04:34 AM »

I just got through the second half of this movie having watched the first part one late evening last week(i'm afraid the Football World Cups been taking precedence over everything just recently).I'm gonna have to watch the whole thing through again but on first impression i veer a bit more towards Firecrackers opinion than CJ.
Despite the flaws i love the stunning look of the movie,the characters(the hippys were ludicrous but fun) ,the storyline and i didn't have a problem with Huds bullet proof chainmail-well they have similar vests nowadays!Though not Morricone i thought the music provided an excellent accompaniment to the movie which definately has a similar feel and atmosphere to the Great Silence as well as the snowy(well thawed out) appearance of the Alps.The ending also reminds me of Silence in that the townsfolk are all bundled out together at the point of being slaughtered-and the romantic fool of a badly wounded hero walks out to confront the bad guys.
However i did have a problem with the lack of a proper gun duel in the ending-after the hippies had fully unloaded their ammo on Huds chainmail they scarper and Hud rides off into the sunset-very unsatifactory!
The Specialist is not as good as Django,Silence,The revolution trilogy but i enjoyed it more than the earlier non-Django Corbucci-i'd give it at least an 80% rating-highly recommended and essential for sw and Corbucci fanatics.
   

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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2006, 10:31:33 AM »


However i did have a problem with the lack of a proper gun duel in the ending-after the hippies had fully unloaded their ammo on Huds chainmail they scarper and Hud rides off into the sunset-very unsatifactory!

   

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I felt the same. but that ending grows on you. After a second view you see its brilliance. remember he didnt have any bullets. He used his head instead of his gun like the sheriff(when drunk) advised him to do.
I think this whole feature grows on you in time. right now it is on my top 30. next week it could be closer to top 20. what did you think of the gunfight with Diablo's gang? hardly "satisfactory".

Banjo I also think you should announce that your post contains spoilers.


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« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2006, 05:22:51 PM »


I think this whole feature grows on you in time. right now it is on my top 30. next week it could be closer to top 20.
I agree-its a very worthy end to Corbucci's "mud 'n' blood" trilogy-the oddness makes it unique and Corbuccis class shines through unlike that other oddity Django Kill-well at least the British piss artist dubbers(according to Alex Cox Grin ) had the sense to try and improve that sham of a movie.
From the stills i didn't think i'd like Johnny Halliday as the Great Hud but to the contrary i was very impressed-much cooler than the Silence character i reckon.

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« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2006, 07:30:39 PM »


From the stills i didn't think i'd like Johnny Halliday as the Great Hud but to the contrary i was very impressed-much cooler than the Silence character i reckon.

yeah I have no problem with Halliday at all. He is cool. I wish he would have done more spags.

He's a bit scrawny dont you think?

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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2006, 04:05:29 AM »

Yeah how'd he manage the weight of that chainmail all the time? Grin

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2006, 01:03:55 PM »

I agree with CJ's review (it seems that we agree too much lately, don't we?). I would like to point at some things. The original title is in the plural: so I expected some stuff like the Professionists or the Wild Bunch. I think the title was put there as a decoy. The english-language  distributor was more honest, though the title he chose still leaves much to be desired.
Angela Luce is the brothel mama.
Johnny Hallyday was a good choice: he could have done better than Trintignant in Silence.
Moschin is perfect: he dubbed himself in the original and that adds to his character. The only problem is that he doesn't look like an american sheriff: too round a face: I think that a black wig and moustaches could have done the trick.
I didn't see so much nudity: a fault of my italian version ? (I'll check the french one, in case).
And all that zombie-like resurrection of the hero (doubled by Adorf's) is really unacceptable. Still the movie lets itself be watched, though I don't think it ranks with Corbucci's best. And though here CJ might disagree with me, I think even Django is better.




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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2006, 05:30:15 PM »


And all that zombie-like resurrection of the hero

don't mean to offend, but the what?
Do you mean when he goes outside to greet the hippie kids who have acquired firearms?

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2006, 05:49:42 PM »

Where's the offence? Anyway, I mean that he gives the impression to be half dead already before shooting Adorf, who also is miraculolusly resurrected (BTW, I can't understand all his bs before giving the chance to be killed  to Hallyday whom one (me, at least) expects to pronounce the  Tuco bathtub line. He hadn't given before the impression he was a sportsman). And then he's just a hair this side of death before challenging the hippies.

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2006, 05:56:44 PM »

Anyway, I mean that he gives the impression to be half dead already before shooting Adorf, who also is miraculolusly resurrected (BTW, I can't understand all his bs before giving the chance to be killed  to Hallyday whom one (me, at least) expects to pronounce the  Tuco bathtub line. He hadn't given before the impression he was a sportsman). And then he's just a hair this side of death before challenging the hippies.


I never really got the impression he was slowly dying. I felt that he was just limping from the knee wound. When he sits down to open the safe he just lies down to rest his knee.
Then again when burning the money he does collapse.

I guess I didn't see much of a problem with it.

when he faces the hippies he has already been "fixed up" by the Hooker and Sheba.
He uses his brain against the hippies. Who was it that said to him he should use his brain over his gun?
Well...all that matters is that he takes the advice.


As for Adorf all of the sudden being honorable in the gunfight... I guess he always wanted to be fair when facing Haliday. He makes many references in the film about wanting to "shoot it out" with him.

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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2006, 06:07:28 PM »

Sheba went desperately looking for a doctor. She didn't and couldn't fix anything.
About Adorf wanting to shoot it out with Hallyday, that makes all the more incomprehensible his bs and his distraction which allows H. to shoot him. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2006, 06:10:07 PM »

Sheba went desperately looking for a doctor. She didn't and couldn't fix anything.

My  mistake. Forgot. haven't seen it in a few months. But the hooker knew how to fix him with the aid of the afro lady.

Adorf tried to pull a fast one when speaking to his personal note taker and pull his gun out. Halliday got wise to this and killed him.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2006, 06:11:33 PM »


I didn't see so much nudity: a fault of my italian version ?





No but it's more nudity then Corbucci has shown in his westerns.

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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2006, 06:20:58 PM »

I didn't see any pair of nude female buttocks like those shown in the Mercenary. Or (small) boobs like those in Silence.

I didn't see Adorf pull any fast one: he just lets Hallyday kill him. I'll rewatch the scene though. But keep in mind that Adorf was the one we saw a few minutes earlier shoot cold-bloodedly right between the eyes Moschin, who didn't have any gun.   

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I didn't see Adorf pull any fast one:

He does. He tells his writer boy to write down what he says (escribe escribe) then grabs his gun without turning to face Hallyday.

As for the nudity there is far more then any other Corbucci film (haven't seen "White, yellow and black").

Apache (the girl hippie) reveals her breast from under her rags during the doobie scene,  then you have the reflection of Fabian's completly nude body (backside) passing by a mirror before getting into a tub. Then in the tub you can see her breast over the water.
That's more then Vonetta Mcgee's quick boob flash in TGS. I dont't even recall two female butts in "The Mercenary".
"Companeros" has a bit of nudity in the beginning.

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2006, 06:58:54 PM »

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He does. He tells his writer boy to write down what he says (escribe escribe) then grabs his gun without turning to face Hallyday.

I don't call that a fast one, but a dumb one, as Hallyday's been waiting for it all the time, exactly like any experienced viewer is waiting for too. Actually he gives Hallyday the advantage of having him always in his line of vision while he has to do a half turn and aim before shooting.

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Apache (the girl hippie) reveals her breast from under her rags during the doobie scene,


Didn't notice. I'll rewatch it. Not that I care, though.

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then you have the reflection of Fabian's completly nude body (backside) passing by a mirror before getting into a tub.

Listen, I've been waiting to see Fabian's nude body not only in this movie and never made it (though I haven't been through her whole filmography). In the bathtub scene she passes in front of the mirror but I only saw her naked back, not the buttocks. Her right nipple is maybe half visible before she dies; and in the bathtub scene I didn't notice any naked breast:if it's there it is subliminal. On the contrary, in GS the breast are prolongedly exposed (but as I don't like the actress I couldn't care less). IN The Mercenary a beautiful pair of buttocks are kept visible for a long time, giving Nero the pretext to make a speech. There's nothing like that here. I don't remember the nudes in Companeros, though they might have been there.   









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