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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2006, 07:21:22 AM »

Then she might consficate the whole 117 and i'll be winning Grin!

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2006, 07:25:15 AM »

Then she might consficate the whole 117 and i'll be winning Grin!

in that case so will I!

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2006, 07:26:50 AM »

we would still have to overcome Roger with his whopping 250 list!!!! Shocked]

we should get some dirt on him and tell his mother about it!

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2007, 11:28:33 AM »

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065407/


This is an American western trying to be an Italian one.

After a brutal stagecoach massacre/robbery five murderers (led by Keenan Wynn) kidnap one of the stagecoach passengers, a very attractive school teacher (Michele Carey of EL DORADO fame), and have their way with her at their hideout.

When they leave her to die in the desert an Apache chief (Henry Silva) finds her and nurses her back to health then aids her in her quest for revenge. Meanwhile, inept lawmen are hot on their trail.

A very violent stagecoach massacre makes for a promising opening but unfortunatly it goes nowhere afterwards.
A film like this (which is short budgeted and short minded) needs to get all that it can out of the exploitive elements. It seems to be heading in that direction within the first 20 minutes but it then turns into a slow and dull love story between the two protagonists.
And the filmmaker doesn't learn from his mistakes in the last half of the film when they begin to hunt down the villains one by one.
The kills are pretty clean. Just quick "Bang bang you're dead" style stuff.
This needed really gruesome deaths for it to be even mildly entertaining.

We get a castration for Wynn's character (all implied) but by the time that happens it's too late. The film has ten minutes left.

Surprisingly, there is a very good ending but not many will be willing to stick through the proceedings to get to it.

Silva is better than this.

Hell even Wynn is better than this.

and Carey is prettier than this.


No wonder the director (Ron Joy) never got any work after this (he has only directed this film and a GET SMART episode). Tongue

Carey's nude body is all I can recommend from this drivel.

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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2007, 11:51:24 AM »



I'd give it some credit, though.  At least it tries to be Italian... being American.  I can't imagine that happens very often.

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2007, 12:02:38 PM »


I'd give it some credit, though.  At least it tries to be Italian... being American.  I can't imagine that happens very often.


Actually, after the Italian western boom a lot of the American studios tried to cash in on the craze and made a few spaghetti like american outings.

They shipped their actors (and their big budgets) to Spain and kinda went over board on the gore and the violence (I guess they thought that's what the italian western was all about) at times.


A few notable spaghetti like American westerns...

Barquero  (Good film starring Lee Van Cleef)
El Condor (Very entertaining movie Also Starring Van Cleef)
Valdez is Coming (a good porno errr... ,I mean, movie with the worst ending ever)
LAWMAN (Good flick)
100 Rifles (Meh)
Shalako (it's okay)


that's all that comes to mind right, the one's that are any good, Oh and the Clint Eastwood westerns.

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2007, 12:06:19 PM »


Oh and the Clint Eastwood westerns.

Do they try to be Italian??? I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2007, 12:07:32 PM »

Do they try to be Italian??? I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.

The only one that attempts to have an italian style is High Plains Drifter, which is excellent. 

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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2007, 12:17:33 PM »

The only one that attempts to have an italian style is High Plains Drifter, which is excellent. 


and what about Josey Whales?

The first two acts scream spaghetti western.

"Pale Rider" is even more spaghetti influenced.

Do I even have to mention "Two Mules for sister Sarah" and "Joe Kidd"?


But I agree, "High Plains Drifter" is the one that feels more like an Italian western.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2007, 12:19:22 PM »

I don't see it... at least not in Unforgiven.


My mistake can be forgiven.


Unforgiven's Italian influence is arguable.

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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2007, 12:21:52 PM »


My mistake can be forgiven.


Unforgiven's Italian influence is arguable.

Is it? How so?

(I have yet to see the rest which is why I didn't agree with your general statement about Eastwood's Italian influence)

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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2007, 12:30:31 PM »

Is it? How so?




It's all visual.

The dirty faces, the dirty clothes, sadistic villains, not so heroic heros...come on! It's as plain as day.

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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2007, 12:41:35 PM »


It's all visual.

The dirty faces, the dirty clothes, sadistic villains, not so heroic heros...come on! It's as plain as day.

Italian westerns are far less "romantic" than American westerns, but there are plenty of "romantic" apsects to Unforgiven, such as the ending.. and the fact that even though the main character wasn;t as heroic at first, he improved considerably.  And the dirty clothes and faces are part of any atmospheric scheme, not just for Italian westerns..

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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2007, 12:49:52 PM »

  And the dirty clothes and faces are part of any atmospheric scheme, not just for Italian westerns..


You won't find any dirty clothes (at least it is a VERY rare occasion and certainly not as dirty as they are in the film in question) in any western after the Italian western boom.

As much as Eastwood (and everybody else it seems) doesn't like to admit that he owes a lot to the Italian filmmakers he's just gonna have to suck it up and take it.

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2007, 12:57:41 PM »


You won't find any dirty clothes (at least it is a VERY rare occasion and certainly not as dirty as they are in the film in question) in any western after the Italian western boom.

I'm sure you could... especially with so many "war" movies, including westerns involving wars.

As much as Eastwood (and everybody else it seems) doesn't like to admit that he owes a lot to the Italian filmmakers he's just gonna have to suck it up and take it.

He did work with one of the greatest directors of all time and something had to rub off on him.


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