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« : April 24, 2006, 02:42:03 AM »

and if so was he a mercenary ?

Don't you almost feel sorry for him upto the point he loses his armoured toy army at the bridge. :'(

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« #1 : April 24, 2006, 07:57:07 AM »

and if so was he a mercenary ?

Don't you almost feel sorry for him upto the point he loses his armoured toy army at the bridge. :'(


well if he was indeed german then I dont think he was a mercenary. The germans were helping the mexicans during that period in time.

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« #2 : April 24, 2006, 08:44:27 AM »

There was a bit of chat about this a long while ago. I'd say from his German Imperial Army insignia (that little black, white and red circle on his hat) that he is definatly supposed to be a German officer.

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« #3 : April 24, 2006, 09:17:36 PM »

  I've always thought Ruiz was a German officer.  It's not a good comparison, but it reminds me of "Three Amigos" with German advisers selling guns to Mexican bandits.  I know it's not the same thing, but Germany did have some involvement in Mexico during WWI.

  And as for feeling bad for Ruiz? No, not really.  Without saying much the entire movie, he comes across as an excellent villain, and I like how Juan guns him down after he mortally wounds Sean.  Regardless, he's an excellent villain.  He just looks like a bad guy.

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« #4 : April 24, 2006, 10:56:21 PM »

I agree he's an excellent villain. It's a sign of a good actor if you actually loathe him in a film.

However up until the bridge scene he's just looks hard and then totally disorientated after the dynamite etc.

He's only revealed as being really nasty until after this scene.

The only difference between Gunther, Sean & Juan is the 'good guys' let the innocents go.

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« #5 : April 27, 2006, 04:29:44 PM »

Read the above thread, but yes, there were German officers serving in Mexico as advisors to the Huerta/Carranza government.  There was a skirmish during Pershing's Punitive Expedition of 1916-7 where several German officers were present (and at least one killed), so they were definitely around.  Ruiz was probably a German, but was meant more as a Nazi allegory.



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« #6 : April 27, 2006, 05:11:33 PM »

I agree he's an excellent villain. It's a sign of a good actor if you actually loathe him in a film.
This dull two dimensional character was by far the worst villain in a Leone movie and the weakist link in DYS-i've seen him in one or two other sw's where he's been totally nonedescript.

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« #7 : April 27, 2006, 05:19:15 PM »

What's the actor's name? Wasn't he in My Name is Nobody?



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« #8 : April 27, 2006, 05:39:16 PM »

Yeah thats right and the only notable thing about him in MNIN is that one recognises him from DYS.Can't think of his name-not a good sign,is it?

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« #9 : April 27, 2006, 08:38:27 PM »

Yeah thats right and the only notable thing about him in MNIN is that one recognises him from DYS.Can't think of his name-not a good sign,is it?

the actors name was Antoine Saint-John.


Again he cannot be considered a villian.




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« #10 : April 27, 2006, 10:43:38 PM »

  Ok, how about a worthy adversary then?  As long as he's not a villain, which I think he is.   ;D

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« #11 : April 27, 2006, 11:28:43 PM »

  Ok, how about a worthy adversary then?  As long as he's not a villain, which I think he is.   ;D


he is basically a problem that our two heroes must either run from or eradicate.

the so-called "villians" in this story are all treated the same way. They are treated as annoying problems that fuck things up. just like life. When one problem is taken care of, another shows its ugly face eventually.




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« #12 : April 28, 2006, 04:13:01 PM »

This dull two dimensional character was by far the worst villain in a Leone movie and the weakist link in DYS-i've seen him in one or two other sw's where he's been totally nonedescript.

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« #13 : April 28, 2006, 04:19:44 PM »

True but irrelevant. DYS is not about simple hero-villain dynamics. Leone had moved on from there, and found the theme of friendship and betrayal more interesting. And OUATIA would go even deeper into that vein (where there are no heroes whatsoever).



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« #14 : April 28, 2006, 04:31:35 PM »

Fair point, but OUATIA did a great job of depicting it's minor villains (Bugsy, Chicken Joe, Crowning, Aiello, the Minaldis) whereas DYS did not.  I would go so far as to say that Ruiz was one of the weakest movie characters I've ever seen.



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