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« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2007, 12:41:10 PM »

NO, NO, NO. Please! I emphasized "gratuitous". The way the scene was edited it obviously
played to the appetite of the sick people who enjoy inflicting pain on animals.

I think it was edited to emphasize just how sick the character of Grocho was. It's a spaghetti western, aren't the villains expected to be sick?

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« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2007, 12:43:37 PM »

Exactly. And the more brutal and twistedly evil you make the villain, it shows the audience what is wrong not trying to glorify it.

I love movie villains who are twistedly evil that they would kill anyone and anything for any reason using any method. That way, when the hero kills the villain you make the audience feel good watching someone so evil be condemned.

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« Reply #122 on: January 27, 2007, 12:45:57 PM »

Agreed. But again I go back to my original premise. The scene went beyond
what was required to elicit emotions from the viewers. The scene was filmed to titillate
not anger the viewer. That is a big difference. I hope to get some
feedback from FC.

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« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2007, 12:51:25 PM »

Exactly. And the more brutal and twistedly evil you make the villain, it shows the audience what is wrong not trying to glorify it.

I love movie villains who are twistedly evil that they would kill anyone and anything for any reason using any method. That way, when the hero kills the villain you make the audience feel good watching someone so evil be condemned.

I agree. I can only remember a few films that actually made me forget i was watching a movie and literally yell at the screen, pull out my hair, and yell "I HOPE HE DIES A TERRIBLE DEATH!" One of those movies was OUATITW.




Anyways, I don't think this "disagreement" has anyway more to go, 'cause there is no basis on fact, it's all opinions. Geoman thinks the scene went too far, I don't. Nothing on this board is going to change either of our opinions.

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« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2007, 12:55:07 PM »

I agree. I can only remember a few films that actually made me forget i was watching a movie and literally yell at the screen, pull out my hair, and yell "I HOPE HE DIES A TERRIBLE DEATH!" One of those movies was OUATITW.

Me too when I first saw it.

When I saw Frank pull out and cock his gun, my heart dropped and I knew the kid was dead. I couldn't believe how terrible that was. I was very pleased to see Harmonica put a .45 into Frank's chest.

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« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2007, 12:58:35 PM »

Now if that scene included the child's blood being sprayed on Frank's face, how
would you react. It has never happened in a mainstream film and never will. It's
called "crossing the lines of decency". Unless you like snuff films Wink

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« Reply #126 on: January 27, 2007, 01:15:28 PM »

Now if that scene included the child's blood being sprayed on Frank's face, how
would you react. It has never happened in a mainstream film and never will. It's
called "crossing the lines of decency". Unless you like snuff films Wink

I don't mind crossing that line.

There are horrible people like that in this world. I don't mind showing such disturbing images in a film to make the audience hate the bad guy.

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« Reply #127 on: January 27, 2007, 01:25:34 PM »

Though, I think if the director leaves more to the imagination
it can have an even more profound effect on the viewer, instead
of just creating disgust, IMHO. Just like Leone's scene.
We never saw the boy being shot but we were appalled by
Frank's action nonetheless.

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« Reply #128 on: January 27, 2007, 01:30:33 PM »

Though, I think if the director leaves more to the imagination
it can have an even more profound effect on the viewer, instead
of just creating disgust, IMHO. Just like Leone's scene.
We never saw the boy being shot but we were appalled by
Frank's action.


I agree, it often is more effective to not show such violence. For example, the scene of the massacred home in The Searchers.

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« Reply #129 on: January 27, 2007, 01:34:55 PM »

Great example Silenzio. Also, we can't forget Juan's slaughtered family scene in DYS.
The actual execution would have been too much to digest for the average viewer.
Can you envision that scene if Leone decided to "cross that line of decency" and actually show
the young boys being shot. Remember, Leone did show the executions of the other "adult"
victims of the revolution, which is acceptable to the average viewer.

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« Reply #130 on: January 27, 2007, 02:05:03 PM »

Saw the extended trailer made by Silenzio....looks good.  Although I had no idea what was happening really...but it's a trailer, not the real thing.

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« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2007, 02:32:48 PM »

Though, I think if the director leaves more to the imagination
it can have an even more profound effect on the viewer, instead
of just creating disgust, IMHO. Just like Leone's scene.
We never saw the boy being shot but we were appalled by
Frank's action nonetheless.


probably Cannibal Holocaust was a somewhat influence on the scene? or not

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« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2007, 07:11:00 PM »

Damn, FC. IMHO, the gratuitous dog-shooting scene would have been better
left on the editing room floor.  Angry


Did it bother you that much?

AWESOME!
(That was the intention)


IMHO I think your pulling my leg as I don't think those particular few seconds were edited very well.

+ the violence was off screen.

Jon1: Don't feel bad, I can't understand what's going on in that trailer either.

Kurugen: Nope. Nothing was influenced from Cannibal Holocaust.


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« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2007, 07:13:09 PM »


Jon1: Don't feel bad, I can't understand what's going on in that trailer either.




 Angry

You gonna make me have to whip out that old sig of me whapping you in the yarbles? (the cunning modification of the image is only comparable to Juan Miranda's achievements in terms of ingeniousness)

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« Reply #134 on: January 27, 2007, 07:16:31 PM »

  (the cunning modification of the image is only comparable to Juan Miranda's achievements in terms of ingeniousness)

I agree. My "Van Cleef + Law" avatar pales in comparision.

My short film needs to be seen from beginning to end. You can't catch it in the middle and know what's going on since there is little to no dialogue (3 lines I believe). The trailer you made was overlong and chopped up.  Tongue

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