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Question: Who's westerns do you prefer?
Clint Eastwood   -7 (53.8%)
Sam Peckinpah   -6 (46.2%)
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« on: June 05, 2006, 05:16:28 AM »

I'm probably showing my ignorance here and possibly missing out on some goodies but the only non-sw's i'll bother to record and keep apart from say Magnificent 7 and some Budd Boeticher(for sw stars likeLVC/Coburn) are Clint Eastwoods and Sam Peckinpahs(which i've only kept hold of in case i change my opinion!).
     If i had to choose between those two directors movies i'd say that Eastwood wins hands down.Apart from his films obviously starring himself and giving a massive head start in terms of coolness,alot of Eastwoods westerns retain the spirit (and sometimes the style)of Leone and though in places his westerns can be brutal this  is handled with imagination and subtlety like the best of the Italian westerns-unlike Peckinpah.Eastwoods westerns are never overlong,tedious,cynical to extreme and cruel lengths and the attention span never drops unlike when i watch PecKinpahs movies.I liked Ride The High Country but everything after sucks.

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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2006, 06:53:11 AM »

I'm probably showing my ignorance here and possibly missing out on some goodies but the only non-sw's i'll bother to record and keep apart from say Magnificent 7 and some Budd Boeticher(for sw stars likeLVC/Coburn) are Clint Eastwoods and Sam Peckinpahs(which i've only kept hold of in case i change my opinion!).
     If i had to choose between those two directors movies i'd say that Eastwood wins hands down.Apart from his films obviously starring himself and giving a massive head start in terms of coolness,alot of Eastwoods westerns retain the spirit (and sometimes the style)of Leone and though in places his westerns can be brutal this  is handled with imagination and subtlety like the best of the Italian westerns-unlike Peckinpah.Eastwoods westerns are never overlong,tedious,cynical to extreme and cruel lengths and the attention span never drops unlike when i watch PecKinpahs movies.I liked Ride The High Country but everything after sucks.

Just to add to this I think the self indulgent violence in Peckinpah's films adds nothing to the story.  The nature of sw's means there has to be a certain amount of violence but too much is off putting.

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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2006, 08:05:58 AM »

Gotta be Peckinpah.  The only Eastwood film that even comes close to "Ride The High Country" or "The Wild Bunch" is "Unforgiven".  "High Plains Drifter" is crap, "The Outlaw Josey Wales" is good but not that good, and I've not seen "Pale Rider" (except the last fifteen minutes, which didn't impress me).

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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2006, 10:29:50 AM »

This is rather difficult...

Peckinpah's films are far better tech wise compared to Eastwood's westerns, whose camera work is rather standard and stale with no creativity. But Peckinpah's westerns  are no where near as entertaining as Eastwood's.


Groggy: I gotta know! How come you didnt enjoy "High Plains Drifter"?

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2006, 11:48:05 AM »

Gotta be Peckinpah here for me. I admire the mans films, yes they may be violent but I think the violence is justified bu the subject matter in the films. The Wild Bunch could never have ended in a regular Hollywood western gunfight. Having said that may I recomend The Ballard Of Cable Hogue. A fantastic light hearted western with a great performance by Jason Robards and a heartmelting ending.

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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 11:51:14 AM »

Having said that may I recomend The Ballard Of Cable Hogue. A fantastic light hearted western with a great performance by Jason Robards and a heartmelting ending.

cant wait to see this.

Banjo what is so good about "Ride the high country"?
Looks rather dull to me.

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2006, 11:55:37 AM »

If I may interject, Ride The High Country shows (IMO) the aster stretching his legs for the first time on the cinematic canvas and telling the story of old men out of time in the West. The sequence in the begining with Joel Mcrea walking into the 'civilised' town and a sequence involving glasses are both humerous but sad also. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2006, 11:59:33 AM »

If I may interject, 


please do.

I liked the concept, old friends becoming dienchanted with each other(I believe thats it) and slowly breaking apart. But when I saw a few clips it looked a bit to talky. I was expecting long silences and witnessing the break up through images not dialogue.

Cable Hogue looks wonderful!

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2006, 05:21:33 PM »

Groggy: I gotta know! How come you didnt enjoy "High Plains Drifter"?

Because it was crap.  Grin

I can't put my finger on it, but it just rubbed me the long way.  I think it was mostly that I thought the storyline was rather stupid, and Eastwood's character was rather poorly written.  The lack of a decent supporting cast didn't help much either. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2006, 05:29:32 PM »



 but it just rubbed me the long way. 

rubbed ya the LONG way eh?(sounds dirty) Grin

but seriously...
I see where your coming from. The obvious low budget is a bit of a put-off after seeing Clint in a better role as The Man with no Name years before and the plot is rather stale. But I do enjoy the nasty characters and the weird spin with the midget as the sheriff. And the whole "ghost" ending(years before the sixth sense) was a fun surprise.
I think it is a better, and more brutal film, then his similar flick "Pale Rider".

But yes, Wild Bunch is the beter film.

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2006, 05:45:38 PM »

cant wait to see this.

Banjo what is so good about "Ride the high country"?
Looks rather dull to me.
Its a feel good western(yes a bit dull)-i like both Randolph Scott and Joel McCrea and like My Name Is Nobody and OUATITW it plays out like a homage to the dying wild west.Its miles better than Wild Bunch which is a totally crap attempt to compete with the sw's.Easwood showed a much better appreciation of what was great about Leone and both myself and Mrs Banjo watch High Plains Drifter(theres nothing in a Peckinpah movie to match the atmosphere of the last 20 minutes of this and Unforgiven for that matter)  and Pale Rider as much as many sws.As for Eastwoods storylines they are no less complex if not more than his mentors- Leone.
Sorry budgets aren't the be all and end all of a great western-its all down to the quality of the direction,the acting and storyline.Any idiot can spend millions to provide the biggest bunch of shootouts and explosions like Peckinpah.Bigger does not mean better.

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2006, 05:50:21 PM »

(theres nothing in a Peckinpah movie to match the atmosphere of the last 20 minutes of this and Unforgiven for that matter) 


thats how I feel about Corbucci's "Specialist". The first hour and ten minutes are a warm-up for what is to come. The last twenty minutes is the film Corbucci really wanted to make.
Could have easily been his best film if the rest of the film was like the last twenty minutes.
A shame. The climax is the best Corbucci moment ever! Even better than Django's classic gun down in the cemetery.

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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2006, 05:51:44 PM »

Because it was crap.  Grin

I can't put my finger on it, but it just rubbed me the long way.  I think it was mostly that I thought the storyline was rather stupid, and Eastwood's character was rather poorly written.  The lack of a decent supporting cast didn't help much either. 
The flashbacks in Wild Bunch are BORING and slow the movie right down unlike the brilliant suspenseful ones in High Plains Drifter-and like Leone you are fed a bit more with each extension to the flashbacks and the build up in the tension in that movie is great.Its  a wonderful moment when the Drirter rides off leaving the residents of Lago to their fate after just having completely turned the town upside down.

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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2006, 05:55:58 PM »


yeah I would have to say the opening to the Wild Bunch is wonderful but when the bunch visits the mexican village the film is a bust and after that nothing remotley interesting happens until the final climax.

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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2006, 05:58:47 PM »

thats how I feel about Corbucci's "Specialist". The first hour and ten minutes are a warm-up for what is to come. The last twenty minutes is the film Corbucci really wanted to make.
Could have easily been his best film if the rest of the film was like the last twenty minutes.
A shame. The climax is the best Corbucci moment ever! Even better than Django's classic gun down in the cemetery.
Wow can't wait to see that.
Theres no tension in the Wild Bunch finale-we all know that the bunch are gonna take on the whole Mexican army and die "heroically"-Big Fcuking Deal-it may as well be The Alamo or They Died With Their Boots On.

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