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« #45 : July 11, 2007, 10:50:10 PM »

Another film I rented from the library. I thought it was good, I never thought Kevin O'Connel would be in a western after portraying Bennie in The Mummy. He talked so damn slow!

I thought the ending was rather bizzare, not fond of it. I am pretty sure both of those guys must have died soon after that. Still nice seeing Liam and Pierce do a film together!

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« #46 : July 12, 2007, 01:52:34 PM »

Another film I rented from the library. I thought it was good, I never thought Kevin O'Connel would be in a western after portraying Bennie in The Mummy. He talked so damn slow!

I thought the ending was rather bizzare, not fond of it. I am pretty sure both of those guys must have died soon after that. Still nice seeing Liam and Pierce do a film together!

Both Liam and Pierce were great in this, particularly Pierce. I thought he was brilliant. I'm not even a fan of Pierce so what does that tell you. He really surprised me here.




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« #47 : July 21, 2007, 09:08:36 PM »

See, I disagree. I think it's a worthy buy, especially if you're a western fan. The first half hour are worth the price alone.

I too thought it was a good film. I am a Liam Neeson fan and I am rarely disappointed by any of his performances and this was no exception, who surprised me was Pierce Brosdan. I haven't seen many of his films. But I dare say I haven't seen him in something of this caliber and he was very good. My only complaint was it dragged abit. But all in all I enjoyed it.




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« #48 : July 25, 2007, 10:32:00 PM »

yeah, after James Bond you wonder if Pierce is good in any other films. I liked him in this film, and also in this one film called Evleyn.

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« #49 : August 10, 2007, 08:33:18 AM »

I was able to obtain a copy of this one a couple of weeks ago.  Also The Proposition.  I found I liked Seraphim Falls better of the two.  Guess that puts me in the minority.  I understand some of the reaction towards SF.  I don't think it tries to be an iconic Western by any means.  I think I understand why the director excluded some of the typical fare like depiction of old western towns and so forth.  I think what he was attempting to do was create a psychological character study of the two main characters by defining them against  the landscapes in the film.  Although there were segments with larger groups of people, like the railroad camp and the missionaries, he was intentionally isolating his characters against the backdrop of the varying landscapes.  So it was a great decision to select John Toll as the cinematographer. SF is visually a beautiful film.  The film begins in the snowy cold mountain country where immediately from the start Carver pursues his relentless, obsessive quest for revenge.  The film progresses down the mountains into the valleys, fields and ultimately to the fiery heat of the desert.  As far as the surreal elements of the plot, I didn't object as much to them per se than some.  I think that if the boundaries of reality and hallucination had been blurred a bit more, they would of been a little more effective.  I agree that the flashbacks were lacking.  The central flashback of what happened in autumn at Seraphim Falls could of been shot differently to be more dramatic.  Also given that the director was intentionally isolating his characters throughout the film, really well done flashbacks could of been used to show short bursts of a western town or even a glimpse of a battle scene at Antietam.  I think a portion of the pursuit scenes in the lower country could of been cut and replaced with these kind of flashback scenes and that would of strengthened the narrative and maybe provided more character development.   I would still recommend the film though.  It was actually not bad for a directorial debut by someone known for his television work.

With The Proposition, it was okay.  Most of the acting was very good.  Particularly Ray Winstone and Emily Watson.  I thought Guy Pearce was kind of wasted in his role.  Hurt was good as the bounty hunter but it was such a small underdeveloped role.  Very nice to see David Gumpilil some 35 years after Walkabout.  I guess my main problem with the film has to do with it being an Australian outback story.  The story is rather weak in that it does very little to better my understanding of the conflicts in the Australian frontier between the aboriginal culture, the outlaws who may be criminals or descendants of criminals (Australia really was a penal colony), the settlers, and the colonials and military that had the task to hammer "civilization" there.  The cinematography was beautiful .  It did a good job in its realistic depiction of the violence and dirty harsh conditions of the setting.  Some of the new ageism (moon, stars, wind) in the soundtrack, script by Nick Cave underscored by the photography was lost by me.  Maybe would have to watch again on that.  I thought the comparisons to Leone films by critics were really off base.     

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« #50 : November 21, 2007, 12:12:01 AM »

Seraphim Falls (2006)  3/5   A decent western that I really wanted to like, but it was only average.  It could have been a lot better.  But it is a western and it does have its good points.  Pierce Brosnan is great in another role that proves he can play more than just 007.  The New Mexico cinematography is gorgeous too.  Worth a watch, but maybe not a buy.



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« #51 : November 21, 2007, 12:19:59 AM »

  I posted about the movie in "Rate the Last Movie You Saw" post, but I thought I'd revive the original Seraphim Falls thread in case anyone else has seen it recently.  I won't repeat what I wrote in the other post, but I'd say it's an average western, not great but I liked it.

  Pierce Brosnan was great as Gideon, with this and his performance as a struggling hit man in The Matador he's really showing off his post-Bond acting chops.  Liam Neeson is good too, but I just didn't buy him.  And as has been pointed out, the flashback needs some work because it did feel too rushed.  If they really wanted to push the limits and show Gideon doing something horrible, he would have shot the wife and kid to try and get information out of Carver.  But as is, it wasn't his fault what happened.  The wind picked up and the fire jumped from the barn to the house.

  As for the ending, it couldn't have been great.  We've spent an hour and forty minutes watching these guys duke it out, and then.....nothing.  I really thought Gideon was going to stab Carver when he pulls out his Bowie knife.  That could've elevated this movie to another level if it ended with him stabbing his follower.

  Decent movie, I agree with cigar joe, worth a rent but not a buy.  Anyone else seen it since the thread dried up? :)



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« #52 : November 21, 2007, 11:49:57 AM »

I liked Seraphim Falls.  The cinematography by John Toll was stunning.  I would agree it's not a great film.  Based on my one viewing, I'd still say that it was entertaining enough on one level, and with that exceptional cinematography, I could understand why someone would want a personal copy.  There are also some interesting ideas about how the characters and their struggles are identified, perhaps how they embody the conflict of the war, that it's a film that could be watched again.

I don't know that I would change too much about the surreal ending.  I think that a film viewer will either like it, or not like it.  Maybe the director should be given some credit for taking such a risk and trying to make it work.  I suppose I would still say it could of been cut where the boundaries of reality and hallucination could of been blurred more.  I have no problem with neither of the characters winning out over the other.  I think the characterizations of both characters were to show they were both flawed with terrible inner conflict but one was not evil, or more evil than the other.  In a way, I thought the film was almost like a funnel.  It starts up way in the mountains and high country the characters are shown in relation to the land and then it comes down to the desert with a more narrow focus on the actual characters together in that desolate desert country.  I think it's a western with a strong anti war theme.  So to have both characters walk away with each other like that, it was a comment about the struggles of the Civil War and putting the war experience, the pain and feelings, the conflict behind to try and start anew.   

After watching the film, I wondered how it would of been if this first time director had made a few more films and this was his third or fourth film.  I also wonder, how much of the design of the film, was the result of being a first time feature length film with particular budget restraints.  It was his story.  He cowrote the screenplay.  Perhaps he made it more of a character study film for that reason.  There are not many scenes with numerous actors.  The railroad camp and missionary camp being two more populated segments. There are no big scenes of town life or battle scenes during the war.  Yet in a lot of ways I thought it was an ambitious first film.  He picked an exceptional cinematographer (much needed to execute his idea of defining characters to landscape) and picked some good supporting actors like Ed Lauter and Michael Wincott.

I'd like to watch the film again sometime.  I'd like to watch The Proposition again at some point as well.  Not together like I did.  When I watched these films, I had no or little expectations of Seraphim Falls and I think I expected more of The Proposition

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« #53 : November 21, 2007, 12:33:35 PM »

Seraphim Falls (2006)  3/5   A decent western that I really wanted to like, but it was only average.  It could have been a lot better.  But it is a western and it does have its good points.  Pierce Brosnan is great in another role that proves he can play more than just 007.  The New Mexico cinematography is gorgeous too.  Worth a watch, but maybe not a buy.

The first half hour watching this, I really thought this was on it's way to MASTERPIECE status. Sadly, it loses it's punch down the stretch. I still enjoyed it though.




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« #54 : November 21, 2007, 02:15:00 PM »

The Proposition gets better with each subsequent viewing, at least thats been my experience.


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« #55 : November 26, 2007, 01:44:27 PM »

Seraphim Falls tried, but failed as a film. The symbology at the end was so heavy handed that I laughed out loud in the theater!!
The supporting cast just didnt add much to the film either and the lack of Western town was sorely missed!


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« #56 : June 25, 2008, 11:13:58 AM »

I finally saw this with friends and, Yikes, it really blows. The first 30 minutes or so is compelling, then everything settles into a more conventional (i.e. dull) Western with visits to the usual cliches: the pioneer family, the wagon train, the religious group, the bank robbers, the rail gang (how did they manage to forget the saloon and the dancehall girls?). Meanwhile, the hackneyed chase plot runs its course down the usual rails, the group of pursuers ever dwindling as they go (nice to see Ed Lauter again, though). Still, this ho-hum part of the film was vastly superior to the allegorical final minutes. Wes Studi as "Charon"! Angelica Huston as Madame Louise/Lucifer!! Salt flats as a circle of Hell!!! I have with me a special finger salute for the producers/writers/director and the horses they rode in on.



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« #57 : June 25, 2008, 11:48:28 AM »

Seraphim Falls- Starts out as a "9", settles down into a "6," ends in minus numbers. As descents-into-hell go, this is exasperatingly dull.



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« #58 : June 25, 2008, 06:47:39 PM »

I finally saw this with friends and, Yikes, it really blows. The first 30 minutes or so is compelling, then everything settles into a more conventional (i.e. dull) Western with visits to the usual cliches: the pioneer family, the wagon train, the religious group, the bank robbers, the rail gang (how did they manage to forget the saloon and the dancehall girls?). Meanwhile, the hackneyed chase plot runs its course down the usual rails, the group of pursuers ever dwindling as they go (nice to see Ed Lauter again, though). Still, this ho-hum part of the film was vastly superior to the allegorical final minutes. Wes Studi as "Charon"! Angelica Huston as Madame Louise/Lucifer!! Salt flats as a circle of Hell!!! I have with me a special finger salute for the producers/writers/director and the horses they rode in on.

Well, the film has it's compelling moments, so I cannot say that it "blows." There's a lot of good in the film so I'll revist it again.




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« #59 : June 26, 2008, 10:37:32 AM »

As I said above, the film starts strong. I really liked the survival-in-the-snow sequence, with Brosnon trying to stay ahead of his pursuers, keep warm, and get a bullet dug out of his arm. But once he runs into the pioneer family everything good in the picture evaporates. And from there things keep going steadily downhill (literally, figuartively, and in terms of story logic). For me, a good intro alone isn't enough.



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