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« #30 : March 30, 2015, 11:50:12 PM »

Maybe Sunset Boulevard also not, but I only said a a bit, and I thought firstly about Lost Weekend and Ace in the Hole. Sunset Boulevard is one of his best films. 8/10


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« #31 : March 31, 2015, 03:07:03 AM »

Ok, preachy is maybe the wrong term.

Still, they have this Hollywood-problem-film attitude, but Wilder's cynicism helps to keep them alive. And it is far away from the way Stanley Kramer deals with the beeeg problems of our world.

Ace in the Hole is too long ago too talk about any details, but the sentimental ending is typical for these films.


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« #32 : November 25, 2016, 08:20:52 AM »

For whatever reason, I have never watched this before, but here I have to agree almost word to word with @titoli and @drinkanddestroy.

1) McQueen unfit for the role.

2) Beautiful actresses.

3) Great supporting cast with great performances (Keith being the best IMHO).

4) So-so action. Varying from scene to scene.

5) Devoid of any reason at all, and I mean ANY.

6) Visually attractive locations and sets.



All in all: entertaining with a score of approx. 7/10

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« #33 : November 25, 2016, 11:57:43 AM »

Brian Keith is strong (as always) but they missed to bring him back at the end...



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« #34 : November 26, 2016, 11:37:46 AM »

They did bring him back in a brief sequence, but not enough unfortunately.




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« #35 : January 06, 2020, 07:51:12 PM »

Kinda surprised at the generous comments for this 3 star Western.

The only distinguishing aspect is the VERY 60s brutality .
The kind of violence depicted would have never appeared in a film from earlier decades. I think this was made after the Production Code strictures were loosened.
The partial nudity also marks this as a 60s Western.
And, the fact that Sands doesn't try to prevent the robbery is pretty cynical, anti-hero MWNN , behavior.

But , seriously, McQueen as a halfbreed teenager?

A problem that dooms the film no matter the goood qualities it may have.
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« #36 : January 07, 2020, 02:21:56 AM »

This movie is a lovely treat for Suzanne Pleshette fans. Especially when she is standing by that tree with her wide blue eyes looking up at Steve McQueen. And her husky voice saying to him:- "Just treat me nice Max...that's all I want. She is so sexy.


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« #37 : January 07, 2020, 03:19:27 AM »

Kinda surprised at the generous comments for this 3 star Western.

The only distinguishing aspect is the VERY 60s brutality .
The kind of violence depicted would have never appeared in a film from earlier decades. I think this was made after the Production Code strictures were loosened.
The partial nudity also marks this as a 60s Western.
And, the fact that Sands doesn't try to prevent the robbery is pretty cynical, anti-hero MWNN , behavior.

But , seriously, McQueen as a halfbreed teenager?



Does the film tell us anything about his age? Otherwise he is as old as he looks, and that's ok.

He is surely no anti-hero, but TWNN is also not one. ;)

What do you think is in NS typical for 60s violence in US films? The rape scene, yes, a bit, but apart from that? The production code in the USA fell later, in 1968 I think, at the time of the making of The Wild Bunch

But even the NS rape scene is not that different in impact from similar stuff in the 1958 westerns The Last Train from Gun Hill, Bravados or Man of the West.


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« #38 : January 07, 2020, 08:26:25 PM »

You're so wrong!😉

One example of extreme violence:
Whe Sands beats up the guy who dragged him
He kicks him repeatedly. The censors would never allow that many in previous years .
The code started to crumble with ....VIRGINIA WOOLF in.1966
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McQueen is supposed to be a teenager at the start of the film although they wisely don't give him a specific age.


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« #39 : January 07, 2020, 09:33:28 PM »

Staying with Nevada Smith: plot line not altogether different than Death Rides a Horse.

HANNIE.CAULDER
Same plot also.


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« #40 : January 08, 2020, 01:28:02 AM »

I think the code had always crumbled over the years, a bit here and a bit there, but in the late 60s it eroded quickly. But it was actually Nov 1986 when the code was definitely abandoned. I think in 1966 The Wild Bunch could not have been released like in 1969.

In case of violence mid 60s films are surely generally more violent than mid 50s films, but you can always find some stronger stuff in older films, which I did not expect to find there. E.g. in Coroner Creek (1948) our hero Randolph Scott does not only get his revenge by beating his foe with his fists to "pieces", after the fight he looks for a stone and smashes with this the hands of his passed out enemy. There were also some clearly visible squibs used in a few 50s films.


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« #41 : January 08, 2020, 01:29:59 AM »




McQueen is supposed to be a teenager at the start of the film although they wisely don't give him a specific age.

In the book he's a teenager, but in the film?

He surely is a bit too old compared to his film mother, but I think it wasn't any problem for the film.


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« #42 : January 08, 2020, 07:11:44 PM »

He's constantly referred to as 'kid'..

But no matter how many times they say it, it isn't. convincing.
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Neither is McQueens.poor attempts at acting like an innocent.


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« #43 : January 09, 2020, 12:15:28 PM »

He's constantly referred to as 'kid'..

But no matter how many times they say it, it isn't. convincing.
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Neither is McQueens.poor attempts at acting like an innocent.

You're right I never believed he was a kid. The only other possible explanation could be the old West usage of "Kid." As in Billy The Kid or Kid Curry, they weren't thought of as kids the way its usage has evolved today. "Kid" wasn't derogatory back then.


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« #44 : January 09, 2020, 12:52:23 PM »

As some may know, I'm a huge McQueen fan ('co-authored a book on him too), but the only
solution would have been to slightly re-write the script. He is 35, playing a 17-19 year old 'kid'.
Yet I think he does it very nicely, he always stayed young in his heart (growing up without a family,
without love). For instance the toys in his last film THE HUNTER (he had a big toy collection).
But the film constantly reminds us that he is "just a boy", which doesn't help the (too episodic)
film at all. (even in THE BLOB, 8 years earlier, he was, obviousely, too old).

But besides that it's a very fine solid US western. Nothing bad about that...



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