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« on: August 27, 2006, 09:12:46 PM »

Watched this on TCM today its an ok to good Western for its subgenre (Cowboy/Indian), but it has some of the old cliches and it has some flaws.

Dir. John Farrow, John Wayne, Ward Bond, Geraldine Page, James Arness, Michael Pate

A lot of great attention to details on the homestead with Geraldine Page, its nice to see a film showing the day to day chores,  horseshoeing, blacksmithing, edgeing tools, etc., etc.

This is one area that AW's did very well at,  you usually learned something about the West, a bit of lore so to speak, you know,  like if you are caught out in the desert without water and there are barrel cactus you can cut them open and get some nourishment (whether this is true or not we'd have to ask Arizonan Cusser. Or another example like in Nevada Smith where you learn to pick up your brass. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre has a lot of this for another example.

The Apache Indians look as they should (compare this to the dopey leather outfit that Burt Reynolds wears in Navajo Joe, lol).

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Anyway the only flaw I see is during the contrived cavalry-settler-indian battle at the conclusion. The Apaches chase the wagons, the wagons form a circle, then a wagon breaks off loaded with riflemen (sort of a battle wagon)  and scatters the natives, then the whole wagon train takes off again and repeat. Come on how stupid do you think the natives are, any native with a brain would shoot a horse or two on the wagons and that would be it. 

oh well its watchable entertainment. I've been on a regular Western spree this rainy weekend, lol

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 09:21:53 PM »

Come on how stupid do you think the natives are, any native with a brain would shoot a horse or two on the wagons and that would be it. 

The same thing happens in Stagecoach. When John Ford was asked why didn't the indians just shoot the horses he responded " Because that would be the end of the picture. "  Grin

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 09:30:05 PM »

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Yea no kidding, lol.
Note to future film makers shoot the horses!

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 09:33:40 PM »


Note to future film makers shoot the horses!

I'll keep that in mind.  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2006, 09:42:21 PM »

It actually challenged some of the old cliches that were rampant in many Westerns of that era.. The Indians were presented as humans...not savages...acknowledged as victims of broken treaties & slaughtered families..and as honorable people. ("A word for "lie" doesn't exist in their language").

Now..for some reason I can't recall if they had rifles or not...I know that they used arrows...& I know that at least 1 horse did bite the dust.

There was 1 particular Indian whose death I was waiting for..and absolutely relished because of something he did earlier..which i won't spoil & mention..that had me hurling expletives at the screen.  Cry

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2006, 10:00:17 PM »

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It actually challenged some of the old cliches that were rampant in many Westerns of that era.. The Indians were presented as humans...not savages...acknowledged as victims of broken treaties & slaughtered families..and as honorable people. ("A word for "lie" doesn't exist in their language").

I'll agree with that it did challenge some,  but retained some others (wagons circled) its a good watch. The interaction between Wayne and Page was done well and very refreshing also.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2006, 10:04:20 PM »

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Now..for some reason I can't recall if they had rifles or not...I know that they used arrows...& I know that at least 1 horse did bite the dust.

Yea they did, here is a pic of "T" shirt with an original photo


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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2006, 01:44:57 AM »

Where can I buy it, CJ?

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2006, 04:58:57 AM »

The "T" shirt or "Hondo"?  Grin

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2006, 05:54:41 AM »

Thank you man!

(Hondo was released here on dvd last year).

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 01:23:47 PM »


You ever notice that cigar just gives sub-par reviews of American Westerns, no matter what it may be? Huh

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »

You ever notice you don't know WTF you are talking about?

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6756.msg110117#msg110117

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3958.msg105501#msg105501

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6040.msg85525#msg85525

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2143.msg19077#msg19077

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4789.msg61050#msg61050

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1635.msg117536#msg117536

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4744.msg60512#msg60512

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 07:45:45 PM »

You ever notice you don't know WTF you are talking about?


Seconded.

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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2008, 10:15:33 AM »

Seconded.

To hell with you Silenzio. Keep out of it.

Anyway, CJ, you need to take an anger management class or something. I can never joke around with you. Come on now, relax.

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2008, 08:22:28 AM »

To hell with you Silenzio. Keep out of it.



Seconded.

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