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« on: October 06, 2006, 03:45:26 PM »

http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/paga_sartana.htm

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065499/


I have to finish watching it yet, still the undeniable fact is that, exactly as when I watched it as a kid, I could sit through this stuff for hours. I like Garko, dressed like he his, for the opposite reasons why I don't like Arthur Kennedy: he's photogenic, the other, while a better actor, isn't. I like the cutting cards, I like the uninterrupted turning of tables, Sartana's omniscience, his being always one step ahead of the others. Actually, though the narrative pace is fast, you would want it to be faster, as in a slapstick.
The music is nothing worth remembering: Nicolai has done better things.

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2006, 04:04:16 PM »

While the melody is not so memorable as Adios Sabata, the tune itself holds an excitement.

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2006, 01:48:14 AM »

I think its a fantastically cool  Nicolai score,one of his best in fact, and  was used again for the first Shanghai Joe film Smiley

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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2006, 03:06:39 AM »

If my memory is correct, this music is one of Firecracker's favorites. 

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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2006, 03:26:37 AM »

If my memory is correct, this music is one of Firecracker's favorites. 
I think he may be using this for his next movie And The Crows Will Dig Your Grave? Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2006, 03:27:55 AM »

I think he may be using this for his next movie And The Crows Will Dig Your Grave? Roll Eyes

That's right! He told me about it too.

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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2006, 02:21:07 PM »


The music is nothing worth remembering: Nicolai has done better things.

I know opinions differ but how can you make such negative comments about this great piece of work?

http://members.home.nl/mirandadidll/muziek/have%20a%20nice%20funeral%20my%20friend%20sartana%20will%20pay.mp3

I guarantee anybody who listens to this (on this site) will love it or at least enjoy it.

As for the film, yes it's a very fun, ashame Carnimeo never made more then 4 Sartana sequels. I say "Have a good funeral" is the second best of the whole Sartana series.

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2006, 03:24:36 PM »

Opinions differ. That's why we have forums. You can say that Leone is not the best SW director, so why can't I say that the main theme for They Call Him Cemetery is much better  than this one? Or do we always have to say that everything is good and, consequently, everything is bad?

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2006, 03:39:29 PM »

Opinions differ. That's why we have forums. You can say that Leone is not the best SW director, so why can't I say that the main theme for They Call Him Cemetery is much better  than this one? Or do we always have to say that everything is good and, consequently, everything is bad?

I never said Leone is not the best SW director. I have only complained that many don't even consider trying to watch quality films from his contemporaries because they have only heard that they are not on par with him. That's snobbery (and ignorance) at it's worst if you ask me.

I do realize opinions differ, hence my first sentence on my last post, but to say that the score is nothing special is just strange to me.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2006, 03:44:35 PM »

so why can't I say that the main theme for They Call Him Cemetery is much better  than this one?

You can say what you want, but you never made this too clear on your last post. All you said was that the "Have a good funeral..." score was not worth remembering. Can't I defend it?

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2006, 04:27:46 PM »

I seem to remember (so don't say again I don't read what you have to say: the problem is that I don't have time to read "everything" you write. And you write a spate) that you wrote that some of his contemporaries sometimes "surpassed" him. That may have a reason to be in a forum not dedicated to SW like this, to provoke a reaction. But here I must take you literally.   
About the soundtrack, fact is I don't remember it at all while I remember the Cemetery one. The score of Funeral is (highly) competent, but not memorable.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2006, 04:37:44 PM »

that you wrote that some of his contemporaries sometimes "surpassed" him.

My comment was not made clear I guess...

I meant to say that they surpassed him in some instances (and I believe they did, it's not to provoke anybodies reaction since most on here can't have much of an opinion about other sw directors).


As for the "you ignoring me" comment, it certainly seemed that way a few months ago. I directed questions at you many times only for to ignore them time and time again treating me as if I never existed. I found it offensive that's all.

and I openly apologise for the "very rude" comment I left you as a PM some time ago.

If it was all just a misunderstanding I'm willing to accept it. In fact I haven't had a problem with you in a very long time and want to keep it that way. You were very unpleasant the first few months I was here though. I don't harbour any contempt anymore and with that said neither should you. I'm not out to get you. I just want to get along.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2006, 05:03:57 PM »

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I meant to say that they surpassed him in some instances (and I believe they did, it's not to provoke anybodies reaction since most on here can't have much of an opinion about other sw directors).

Can you give some example?

About the rest, I was referring simply to the fact that a while ago you "accused" me (quite jokingly) of not reading your posts. Which is not true. The fact is that I have to be selective because I can't read everything everybody writes for a question of time and interest. But on topics I care about I usually read what everybody writes, expecially if his messages are kept not very long.
About the first period of your permanence here, I wanted to make sure first you were not a troll. Second, you were writing too much and  didn't want to begin an intense correspondence with you: no time for that, sorry. Also, I don't want to have things imposed on me: sometimes I make questions to other posters but if they don't think they want to answer is just as good.  I don't have it against them for such trifles. I think (I have already said that) that some of you (expecially the younger forumists) make too much of what we write (or don't) on these boards. That's why we never had a problem and never will. What problem can one have just by writing on a board? The problems are all in one's mind.

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 I don't have it against them for such trifles. I think (I have already said that) that some of you (expecially the younger forumists) make too much of what we write (or don't) on these boards. That's why we never had a problem and never will. What problem can one have just by writing on a board? The problems are all in one's mind.


Agreed, but you ignored me to the extreme (countless questions and several pms), extreme enough to come off rude (I'm sure you can understand this).

But your right, it's only the internet and not to be taken seriously. I'm fairly new to internet forums (It may be noticeable) and it took some time to get that into my head.


I'll give examples as to Leone's contemporaries in a few minutes (perhaps an hour or more) as I have to leave for a moment.

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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2006, 05:46:39 PM »

Can you give some example?



certainly. I'll only give a few since my posts won't be read by many anyway (not a crack at you but at others who don't bother with Italian western threads)...




I think we can all put our biasts away when saying that most  non-Leone spaghetti westerns are better then anything "A fistful of dollars" has to offer.
The examples here are obvious.


In "for a few dollars more" most all the action sequences in the film have to be a standard showdown (two characters or more standing on opposite ends of a room or terrain staring at each other until one party decides to fire), couldn't Leone have been a bit more innovative? His contemporaries sure were. Not every action sequence in a Corbucci movie had to consist of two characters taking ten minutes to fire at each other.
After Eastwood's showdown with the three residents of Agua Caliente is finished the novelty of Leone's showdown wears off. As is evident with the Van Cleef versus Kinski showdown. How many more of these do we have to see?
Then there is the unoriginal but satisfying (mainly because there isn't a showdown in sight) shoot out near the climax of the film. Both the Colonal and Eastwood each use tactics, that would feel right at home in a roadrunner cartoon, to eliminate Indio's henchmen. Each has their own UNcreative way of dispatching the baddies (Eastwood with his "poncho decoy in a coat rack"). There is a similar sequence in "Johnny Yuma" (as much as I would hate to defend it because I really don't like the film too much) where the hero is sneaking around and taking out the baddies with creative and well thought out gunplay in a similar set.

In another spaghetti western, perhaps "The Specialist" is a good example, you'll find fast paced and well edited action sequence consisting of the hero taking out several baddies from all sides. This is not found in the pre-climax shoot out in FAFDM.
Then of course there is the wonderful showdown at the end between LVC and Volonte. While all of Leone's climatic showdowns are heart stopping you can't help but think how you would react to these scenes without Morricone's music? They most certainly wouldn't be heart stopping or ground breaking that's for sure if not for the Maestro's magic touch.
A lot of italian directors were lacking in the music department so they opted to kill the villain in a very creative fashion.

As is seen in Tonino's Valerii's "The Taste of Killing"

As is seen in Giancarlo Parolini's "If you meet Sartana, pray for your death"

As seen in Carlo Lizzani's "Kill and Pray"

(more examples to come...)

Leone just settled to kill the main villain in the same fashion he killed the henchmen.




"The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" suffers from the same problems as FAFDM does.
You would think Leone would try to top his Agua Caliente shoot out sequence in the Bombed out town shoot out scene but sadly that doesn't take place.
The set is remarkable but it isn't used to it's fullest extent.
We just get a satifying but standard shootout. Bad guys pop out of corners the heroes plug them just before they can shoot (yawn).
Another director (Giuliano Carnimeo or perhaps Giancarlo Santi) would have used the sets tall buildings to have his actors (or stuntmen rather) perform fabulous stunts and falls. What does Leone give us when Eastwood shoots a henchman from the roof of a building? A half assed cutaway shot a guy falling onto the sandy street. No style, no excitment.

Think of the opening in "The Grand Duel" and you'll see what he should have attempted to do (of course in his own masterful way).

I think this is a sufficent amount of examples for now.

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