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« on: October 14, 2006, 11:01:46 AM »

Mitchum is Marshal Flagg. George Kennedy is Big John McKay. And David Carradine is the evil Waco!

What's not to like? Coming to DVD as part of the forthcoming Mitchum box set (but available separately). Is it January yet?
http://dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63001

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2006, 11:03:02 AM »

Mitchum is Marshal Flagg. George Kennedy is Big John McKay. And David Carradine is the evil Waco!

What's not to like? Coming to DVD as part of the forthcoming Mitchum box set (but available separately). Is it January yet?
http://dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63001

I caught the end of this movie and I thought it was alright. Nothing great, just eh.

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2006, 11:17:21 AM »

Thank God that set doesn't include "Wrath of God" which I just recently acquired. I would have been kicking myself for months otherwise.

Interested in seeing "Yakuza".

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2006, 12:29:53 PM »

Thank God that set doesn't include "Wrath of God" which I just recently acquired. I would have been kicking myself for months otherwise.

Interested in seeing "Yakuza".

How do you know "Yakuza"? This moive is totally forgotten in Japan. DVD is not availabe there. Another Hollywood-mystifying Japan movie. But this one is tolerable.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2006, 04:59:45 PM »

I liked Yakuza at the theatre. Strange it wasn't released on dvd yet. A good action movie.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2006, 01:01:57 PM »

How do you know "Yakuza"? This moive is totally forgotten in Japan. DVD is not availabe there. Another Hollywood-mystifying Japan movie. But this one is tolerable.

Read about it but is a bit hard to find. It's being released with the Mitchum Box set.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 04:48:19 PM »

Read about it but is a bit hard to find. It's being released with the Mitchum Box set.

A good thing is that the film got a collaboration from Toei, a studio that has been specializing in yakuza movies.

Still, don't believe in everything what you see there.

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 09:46:50 PM »

A good thing is that the film got a collaboration from Toei, a studio that has been specializing in yakuza movies.

Still, don't believe in everything what you see there.
I don't expect movies in general (regardless of where they were made) to know much about a crime syndicate anyway.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2006, 10:11:09 PM »

I don't expect movies in general (regardless of where they were made) to know much about a crime syndicate anyway.

Especially American movies about Japanese yakuza. Yakuza culture is not easy to understand. Movies that are closest to real yakuza are made by Fukasaku. His "Yakuza Papers" is a great series. A revolutionary filmmaking of late 70's. Higly recommended.

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2006, 10:15:29 PM »

Especially American movies about Japanese yakuza. Yakuza culture is not easy to understand. Movies that are closest to real yakuza are made by Fukasaku. His "Yakuza Papers" is a great series. A revolutionary filmmaking of late 70's. Higly recommended.

As long as the Yakuza is (are?) potrayed as katana weilding nasties (you would think using a gun would be more effective in modern times) I honestly couldn't care about how realistic the film is.

Do Fukasaku's films treat the subject realistically?

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2006, 10:26:54 PM »

As long as the Yakuza is (are?) potrayed as katana weilding nasties (you would think using a gun would be more effective in modern times) I honestly couldn't care about how realistic the film is.

Do Fukasaku's films treat the subject realistically?

More realistic than anybody expected at the time. He turned the whole myth about yakuza upside down in a news reel style. Ken Takakura in Sydney Polack's "Yakuza" was the star of yakuza movies until Fukasaku made "Yakuza Papers" and he played a heroic yakuza over and over. But now, Fukasaku presented yakuza as cowardly dirty selfish bastards. Fukasaku also showed their connection with police and politicians. His style of story telling and camera work changed the trend of Japanese films. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 11:54:15 PM »

I found out the only thing I remembered about this movie was the final chase. That is the only thing that makes a vision of this movie wothwhile, though only once. Characters are standard, Balsam's just doesn't fit. 6\10

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