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« #15 : August 21, 2007, 03:59:59 PM »

Much as I like Pesci, and I do, if he'd played Max it would have been just another psychopath a la his characters in the various Scorsese films he did. Woods gave something special to the role, a dignity and nuance which Pesci couldn't have.

So far as I know, there wasn't any additional material with Frankie shot. I could be wrong, but Frayling's very long, detailed outline of the story treatment does not list any additional scenes with Frankie (who I believe was called "Esposito" in the early drafts of the script). If scenes were added later in the production and then cut - that's possible. But it's very possible also that Pesci knew that he was going to have a glorified cameo and accepted it. Maybe someone should ask him. . . Mike Siegel, I believe that's your department. ;)

There is more stuff with Bugsy, Eve, Chief Aiello, and Jimmy O'Donnell on some backlot in Rome, there isn't any question of that, but I'd be surprised if any more material of the Minaldis exists.

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« #16 : August 21, 2007, 07:17:19 PM »

Much as I like Pesci, and I do, if he'd played Max it would have been just another psychopath a la his characters in the various Scorsese films he did. Woods gave something special to the role, a dignity and nuance which Pesci couldn't have.

So far as I know, there wasn't any additional material with Frankie shot. I could be wrong, but Frayling's very long, detailed outline of the story treatment does not list any additional scenes with Frankie (who I believe was called "Esposito" in the early drafts of the script). If scenes were added later in the production and then cut - that's possible. But it's very possible also that Pesci knew that he was going to have a glorified cameo and accepted it. Maybe someone should ask him. . . Mike Siegel, I believe that's your department. ;)

There is more stuff with Bugsy, Eve, Chief Aiello, and Jimmy O'Donnell on some backlot in Rome, there isn't any question of that, but I'd be surprised if any more material of the Minaldis exists.

Just my opinion.

I agree with you what you said about James Woods Groggy. He was right for the part. I was just saying, Pesci could have pulled it off. It would have resembled his characters in Goodfellas and Casino I'm sure but that doesn't mean it would have been bad.

I'd love to know if there was more material shot with his character though. Even the material we know exists I'd love to see. Hopefully we have that oppurtunity someday.




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« #17 : August 21, 2007, 07:59:45 PM »

Pesci might have been able to pull it off, but as of today, I'll stick with James Woods. Woods says that his best role was as Max. Smart guy.



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« #18 : August 26, 2007, 07:39:49 AM »

Pesci might have been able to pull it off, but as of today, I'll stick with James Woods. Woods says that his best role was as Max. Smart guy.



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Woods was amazing in the role. I particularly love the scene where he tells tells Noodles he doesn't give a sh*t about Carol and tells her to get the F out. Then he responds with "Gonna tell me I don't have a way with women." HAHAHAHAHHAA what a great scene.




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« #19 : August 26, 2007, 09:37:58 AM »

Woods was amazing in the role. I particularly love the scene where he tells tells Noodles he doesn't give a sh*t about Carol and tells her to get the F out. Then he responds with "Gonna tell me I don't have a way with women." HAHAHAHAHHAA what a great scene.

That's arguably the first scene where we get to see how unhinged Max is, and Woods plays it brilliantly (as do De Niro and Weld).



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« #20 : September 01, 2007, 09:01:43 AM »

I like Joe Pesci and have enjoyed the movies I have seen him in.  I read that he would have liked the part of Max but Leone didn't think he was right for the role and as a favour to De Niro, Leone let Pesci pick another character.  I have not seen any evidence that any extra scenes were planned for his role as Frankie Minaldi and the early scripts do not include any significant extra dialogue or scenes. It is only in the last few years following his rise in popularity and recognised acting ability that people have queried his small part in the film.

Maximilian 'Max' Bercovicz was supposed to be a Polish or Russian Jew over 6 feet tall and although I admire Pesci's acting ability I can see why Leone may not have thought him right for the part.

It has been reported that Gerard Depardieu was interested in taking part in the film and, although I like James Woods' portrayal,  I am surprised that no-one has ever mentioned another actor in 1900, Donald Sutherland.  He was the right height and build and may have given the role a different edge.

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« #21 : September 06, 2007, 06:26:03 AM »

I've always thought there were more scenes of Pesci left out. His character is never quite devoloped properly.
I have no doubts there was more footage of Pesci shot. That scene of Pesci looking on at Noodles and Max just doesn't fit. That's the last time we see him. It looks from there that something more will develop with his character but it never does.

I totally agree with you TB. I always thought that there must be some "reason" why Pesci was in the hospital in the same time when Noodles and Max was (and he was hideing from them) and why he was going into the lift (probably he was going in Treat Williams room to meet with sindycate leaders...).

Someone before said that there was 8 hours of original shooting. As I know, there was 10 hours of original shooting material.

Olso, as I read somewhere, Leone didn`t want to cast Pesci at all (nevertheless I love Pesci very much - I must be honnest), but he did that at DeNiro`s request.

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« #22 : September 07, 2007, 05:51:24 AM »

It is possible that when Pesci chose the part of Frankie Minaldi, he thought it was a more major role.  It would however be unusual for unscripted significant scenes to be filmed and I have seen no evidence of significant additional dialogue or action for this role in the early scripts.  Apart from his role in Raging Bull, Pesci's profile and standing in the early 1980's is open to interpretation.

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« #23 : September 07, 2007, 12:59:36 PM »

It is possible that when Pesci chose the part of Frankie Minaldi, he thought it was a more major role.  It would however be unusual for unscripted significant scenes to be filmed and I have seen no evidence of significant additional dialogue or action for this role in the early scripts.  Apart from his role in Raging Bull, Pesci's profile and standing in the early 1980's is open to interpretation.
Reasonable assumption. Frank Minaldi is a good role, but not exactly a stand out. If I had the choice of role, and were a reasonably good actor, I'd go for Patsy or Fat Moe. I need to see the movie in whole again. It wasn't until recently that I saw this as a five star movie. The first time I saw it, I didn't get it. Same for OUaTiTW. Wasn't in the right mood for either when I watched them.

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« #24 : November 22, 2009, 11:16:35 AM »

I totally agree with you TB. I always thought that there must be some "reason" why Pesci was in the hospital in the same time when Noodles and Max was (and he was hideing from them) and why he was going into the lift (probably he was going in Treat Williams room to meet with sindycate leaders...).

I figured Leone showed Pesci's character in the hospital to show that he was there to visit the Treat Williams character.  Illustrating that from now on Williams is going to have do work with criminals from now on if he wants "progress".

Not sure why he was hiding from Max and Noodles... Was he even hiding?  I can't remember.  I thought him and Max (and the gang) were now somewhat affiliated after they killed his "brother" for him.

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