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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 11:29:45 AM »

The beginning and end of the film are looped. They both belong to 1933. Actually they are the same scene - the opium den. Noodles comes to the place after the bank robbery by his buddies happened. So, everything preceding 1933 actually happened.

The question is everything in 1960s (the future). Is that creation of his dream while he is stoned? Or does it really happen?

I think Silezio's theory is certainly plausible, like The Da Vince Code is. It can well be based on Noodles' guilty conscience. On the other hand, how can he dream of The Beatles and TVs in 60s?

The film is left deliberately ambiguous. The smile of Noodles at the end tells you secretly everything.

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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 01:12:42 PM »

its all a dream.


nothing is real.

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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 01:33:57 PM »


nothing is real.

and nothing to get hungabout.

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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 08:48:13 PM »



The film is left deliberately ambiguous. The smile of Noodles at the end tells you secretly everything.

It certainly tells me everything: it tells me he's glad he got to briefly "live" in a world where he had no reason to feel guilt.

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 08:54:10 PM »

Actually Deborah does look older at the party.

The rape is also mentioned in the form of, if I remember correctly, an apology or forgiveness for something, I forget the exact words.

I'm pretty sure there are no apologies or any mentionings of the rape at all in that scene. I haven't seen the film in a while though ... and I've only seen it twice. But I seem to remember whole threads on IMDb about people saying, "Why didn't Noodles aplogize (heartless bastard)!"



As for the damn party: I forgot about that, I just vaguely remember the wrinkly old deborah that you see outside with Max's son, I think. I'll have to watch the film again.

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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2006, 08:59:42 PM »

Even before the party. Noodles sees Deborah behind the stage afther her performance. She reveals her old face as she wipes off her makeup.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2006, 09:10:14 PM »

Even before the party. Noodles sees Deborah behind the stage afther her performance. She reveals her old face as she wipes off her makeup.

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Ok. I'll watch the movie again sometime before I continue this argument that I'm currently losing. Maybe for Christmas...

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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2006, 09:12:43 PM »

Are you old enough to see this film? Isn't this R rated?

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2006, 09:19:49 PM »





As for the damn party: I forgot about that, I just vaguely remember the wrinkly old deborah that you see outside with Max's son, I think. I'll have to watch the film again.

There is a close-up of her once Noodle's is inside the party. You can clearly see she is older...

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2006, 09:20:12 PM »

Are you old enough to see this film? Isn't this R rated?

Uh-oh. Looks like ya caught me.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2006, 09:21:49 PM »

Uh-oh. Looks like ya caught me.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2006, 09:24:45 PM »

Are you old enough to see this film? Isn't this R rated?

Thanks for reminding me Sanjuro.

You saved me from sending Silenzio potential mind warping dvds.

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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2006, 09:27:28 PM »

Sounds like you almost got him in a trouble from his parents.

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« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2006, 09:30:17 PM »

Sounds like you almost got him in a trouble from his parents.
Yes I don't think they would have appreciated me sending him "Debbie does Dallas" and "Deep Throat". He BEGGED me for these titles.

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« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2006, 09:32:11 PM »

Yes I don't think they would have appreciated me sending him "Debbie does Dallas" and "Deep Throat". He BEGGED me for these titles.

Shucks....

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