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« on: December 13, 2006, 07:04:48 PM »

Ok getting "Gunfight at the OK Corral" last week and a short time before that picking up "Tombstone" sort of piqued my interest in "Earp" related films, so while at the local video rental shop the other day I rented Costner's "Wyatt Earp".

So far now I've seen Ford's "My Darling Clementine" (1946), Sturges' "GatOKC" (1957), Sturges' "Hour Of The Gun" (1967) Perry's "Doc" (1971), Cosmatos' "Tombstone" (1993) and Kasdan's "Wyatt Earp".

The only film I'm missing that coverd the events around the OK Corral is I believe Cahn's thinly veiled "Law & Order" (1932). Other films depict Wyatt Earp as a cameo type character (Winchester 73) but I'm just really concerned with these films depicting the famous shootout.

This one was a tad long basically a biopic.....


To be continued.....


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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2006, 06:17:14 PM »

Unlike a lot of people I actually like this movie.  It's not very high on my list, but I think Costner's a good Earp and it has some excellent scenes.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2006, 07:46:31 PM »

We have Wyatt Earp's grave in our neighborhood. I paid a visit a couple of years ago. And the name of the cemetery is--------, you guessed it, not Sad Hill  Grin but Colma Cemetery.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 07:24:04 AM »

i don't like it very much...maybe d.quaid a little.

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 09:23:19 PM »

continued....

Out of all the films so far Tombstone and Wyatt Earp seem to be the two that show the details that are closest to the actual events at the OK gunfight. You should check out the IMDb on the nitpicking of fans that are truely intence  Shocked:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111756/board/thread/33748435

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111756/board/thread/32145747

One thing strange thing I've noticed is that for some cockamamie reason Ford's  MDC and GATOKC portray James Earp as the "youngest" Earp brother where as in actuality James is the oldest brother. What's up with that?

Here are their actual age breakdowns in 1881:

James Earp 38
Virgil Earp 36
Wyatt Earp 31
Morgan Earp 28
John Holliday 28

here are the various actors ages when they portrayed each major character:

My Darling Clementine:

Henry Fonda (Wyatt) 41
Victor Mature (Holliday) 33
Tim Holt (Virgil Earp) 28
Ward Bond (Morgan Earp) 43
Don Garner (James Earp) 14
Walter Brennan (Old Man Clanton) 52
John Ireland (Billy Clanton) 32

Gun Fight At The OK Corral

Burt Lancaster (Wyatt) 44
Kirk Douglas (Holliday) 41
Hudson (Virgil Earp) 35
Kelly (Morgan Earp) 37
M. Miller (James Earp) 26
John Lerland (Johnny Ringo) 43
Dennis Hopper (Billy Clanton) 21

Hour Of The Gun

James Garner (Wyatt Earp) 39
Jason Robards (Holliday) 45
S. Mellville (Morgan Earp) 31
F. Converse (Virgil Earp) 29
Robert Ryan (Ike Clanton) 58
John Voight (Curley Bill) 29

Doc

Stacey Keach (Holliday) 30
Harris Yulin (Wyatt Earp) 34
J. Bottoms (Virgil Earp) 32
M. Witney (Ike Clanton) 40

Tombstone

Kurt Russel (Wyatt Earp) 42
Val Kilmer (Holliday) 34
Sam Elliot (Virgil Earp) 49
Bill Paxton (Morgan Earp) 38
Michael Biehn (Ringo) 37
Powers Booth (Curley Bill) 45
Thomas Hayden Church (Billy Clanton) 33

Wyatt Earp

Kevin Costner (Wyatt Earp) 39
Dennis Quaid (Holliday) 40
Michael Masden (Virgil Earp) 35
Andrews (James Earp) 42
Ashby (Morgan Earp) 33

So as far as closest to the histotical figure in actual age at time of portrayal goes.......

Harris Yulin in "Doc" at 34 is the closest to Wyatt in actual age.
For Doc Holliday, Stacey Keach in "Doc" at 30, followed by Victor Mature at 33 in "MDC", then Val Kilmer at 34 in "Tombstone".

Farthest from "age" truth in portrayal are:

Burt Lancaster 44 as Wyatt in "GATOKC"
Jason Robards 45 as Doc Holliday "HotG"

Actor that looks the most like the actual Wyatt Earp..., for me its Kurt Russell in "Tombstone"

Best portrayal of Doc Holliday, both Kilmer in "Tombstone" and Quaid in "Wyatt Earp" do memorable jobs however the real Doc Holliday was describes as a "walking cadaver" and for me that would fit more Quaids performance.

Again the problem with doing Western's with actual real life characters puts limits on "artistic license" some great real life charaters just barely brush up against each other in history and the tend is to try and make more out of that than actually occured.

Anyway WE drags, Tombstone is more "Hollywood", HotG also drags, GATOKC is "dramaticaly enhanced", Doc drags and MDC is Ford's mostly fabricated artistic sentimental masterpiece.

If you get a chance watch them and see what you think.


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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 12:41:57 AM »

In Orlando (Downtown Disney West Side market place) they are selling an authentic Wyatt Earp autograpgh from the 1920's (just before he passed on). He signed a water canteen.

It has been on sale for about $13,000 for a little over a year now.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 11:19:09 AM »

I think I will watch this today.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 12:10:35 PM »

I think I will watch this today.

I don't blame you. I personally think it's an underrated film. I prefer this to Tombstone.

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 12:20:15 PM »

I don't blame you. I personally think it's an underrated film. I prefer this to Tombstone.

Watching it right now, first time seeing it. What a cast.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2007, 06:54:57 AM »

I don't blame you. I personally think it's an underrated film. I prefer this to Tombstone.

It's good but I think it's main flaw is that has pretensions of being a great Western epic. I like the cast, the gunfights are well done generally speaking, but it's just too long. You could easily chop 20-30 minutes out of it, and it would be better for it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2007, 08:25:02 AM »

It's good but I think it's main flaw is that has pretensions of being a great Western epic. I like the cast, the gunfights are well done generally speaking, but it's just too long. You could easily chop 20-30 minutes out of it, and it would be better for it.

It is a bit to long but I honestly wasn't as bored during some sequences as other people. Maybe it's just my love for Epic's?

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2007, 12:29:16 PM »

I found this boring. Tombstone was much better, especially for Val Kilmer. Afro

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2007, 12:41:53 PM »

I found this boring. Tombstone was much better, especially for Val Kilmer. Afro

Val Kilmer was the only high point in the film. I don't hate Tombstone but it just plays out like a made for TV western. It's all action with not much else working for it.

For all it's faults, Wyatt Earp is the better film, with the most realistic portrayal of Wyatt Earp.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2007, 01:50:09 PM »

Val Kilmer was the only high point in the film. I don't hate Tombstone but it just plays out like a made for TV western. It's all action with not much else working for it.


Haven't seen WE yet but I agree with TB's comments on TOMBSTONE.
Much too overrated that picture.

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2007, 02:16:36 PM »

There are some weak moments, mostly involving Kurt Russell, but "Tombstone" is very entertaining as a fun Western.

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