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« #15 : January 04, 2007, 12:44:43 AM »

Well sir. Seem's t' me there's this here film called THE PROPOSITION folks round here's bin talking about lately. T' aint no Yankees, Injuns, gunslingers nor nothin' in it neither. Hell, it ain't even set in the Yoo Nited States. But it looks like a West'rn, smells like a West'rn and by Golly most everybody bin callin' it a West'rn.



It's got plenty of outlaws and revolvers.




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« #16 : January 04, 2007, 05:51:57 AM »

I personally felt it didn't have much of a Western in it, but I saw it only once and not in the best quality, so it isn't so reliable.



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« #17 : January 04, 2007, 04:25:02 PM »

It's got plenty of outlaws and revolvers.
So do gangster films.



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« #18 : January 04, 2007, 06:54:41 PM »

I think what makes the difference (but I should reflect on it, I'm just telling it like it comes to mind) is the gringo's presence. In that sense I don't think Viva Zapata (I haven't seen that movie in 40 years though) is a western, while this is. Once you have the gringo you bring in themes and conflicts which are tipically western.


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« #19 : January 04, 2007, 06:56:14 PM »

I think what makes the difference (but I should reflect on it, I'm just telling it like it comes to mind) is the gringo's presence. In that sense I don't think Viva Zapata (I haven't seen that movie in 40 years though) is a western, while this is. Once you have the gringo you bring in themes and conflicts which are tipically western.

I completely agree with you.

This is the reason why I do not classify DYS as a Zapata western. There is no gringo character, or any character that has even been to America.


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« #20 : January 04, 2007, 07:04:38 PM »

No, we're at odds on this. Sean is the gringo, no matter if he's never been to USA or hasn't got a six-gun. He's the bearer of technology, efficiency, expertise, culture, civilisation (you name it) as against Juan's naiveté, impulsiveness, lack of etiquette and so on. This also does explain why you can have a western based in Australia (I saw Tom Selleck's Quigley last sunday) or even in the future once you get hold of the basic conflicts and myths which are at the base of the genre. Read John Cawelty's books on the matter (BTW, I have a spare copy of Six-Gun Mystyque if you or anybody else wants it). Or even Fiedler's Return of the Vanishing American.


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« #21 : January 06, 2007, 12:18:39 AM »

So do gangster films.

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Western outlaws and  period (of that time) revolvers.




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« #22 : January 06, 2007, 05:54:57 AM »

The setting is Western (there are plenty of Westerns that take place in Mexico), the weapons are Western, the characters are Westerners.  What else would you call it?  ::)



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« #23 : January 06, 2007, 11:23:50 AM »

Its in Mexico ain't it? Mexico has always been part of the West as much as the US and Canada, I think anyway.
Totally agree CJ. Mexico  played an integral part in the State's western history.

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« #24 : July 20, 2007, 10:13:26 AM »

  Not "strictly" a Western. Perhaps a Zapata western, and, much of Mexico lies, technically, as far east as Kansas City, and is jungle, not the typical Hollywood desert.   It is like saying Canada is "west", even though much of it is east of the Continental Divide, also.
  Still, who cares, DYS is a lot of eye candy, especially those inexplicable explosions before Juan  stops him.  I love the blast which sends a boulder tumbling just to the audience's left--I'd pay to see it again in a theater.


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« #25 : July 20, 2007, 11:15:07 AM »

Oh Duck You, Sucker is indeed a western. So many Wild West undertones in the film, preticularly with the character of Juan and his family and extended family.




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