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« : August 01, 2003, 02:25:43 PM »

My VHS copy of West (at least for the time being) has a comment at the back that Cheyenne was a half-breed.  That did not strike me in the film.  What was he?  Half-what?  Is there any evidence in his behaviour or in the dialogue that I should look out for?

(As far as dialogue is concerned - can't wait for the DVD.  I love watching film with subtitles and I recommend this practice at least once.  You will be surprised what you pick up that you will have previously missed).

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« #1 : August 01, 2003, 04:29:51 PM »

My VHS copy of West (at least for the time being) has a comment at the back that Cheyenne was a half-breed.  That did not strike me in the film.  What was he?  Half-what?  Is there any evidence in his behaviour or in the dialogue that I should look out for?

(As far as dialogue is concerned - can't wait for the DVD.  I love watching film with subtitles and I recommend this practice at least once.  You will be surprised what you pick up that you will have previously missed).

In the original script, Cheyenne was supposed to be a Mexican bandit (like a sane version of Indio and Tuco, if that's possible  ;)).  So I assume the title refers to him being half-Mexican?  :-\



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« #2 : August 04, 2003, 03:54:43 PM »

Fair enough.  I guess that I was a bit confused by the name.  Cheyenne struck me as an indian word, and with respect to Jason Robards... he just didn't look one way or the other!

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« #3 : August 04, 2003, 10:03:04 PM »

I'm kinda wondering if it wasn't a misprint and Bronson was the one actually being refered to - a half-breed Indian.


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« #4 : August 05, 2003, 07:36:35 AM »

I seem to remember that in "Something to do with Death" the author states that Cheyenne's name is Manuel Gutierrez.  My wife is something of a horse expert, and she says that Cheyenne's men use Mexican saddles (which don't have a saddle horn).

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« #5 : December 08, 2003, 02:07:08 PM »

If we agree that the man hanged by franck was Cheyenne's brother (if we agree that), I would say that Cheyenne is half Mexican, or entirely mexican.

Of course when we say mexican, we inevitably mean half spanish, half indian.

So, yes, Cheyenne is half mexican maybe, and so half indian if you want.


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« #6 : January 13, 2004, 08:15:32 PM »

Hi all

I haven't seen the movie in ages but doesn't
Cheyenne says that his mother was the best
 " you know what" he has ever heard of, my
take is that she could be his Mexican half.

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« #7 : January 28, 2004, 04:58:05 PM »

frayling suggests that cheyenne is actually manuel gutierrez. so his father looks to be mexican but as the 'half-breed' it suggests his mother would be indian. however would she have been 'the biggest whore in alameda'? Maybe.


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« #8 : October 17, 2006, 08:14:09 PM »

I think hes half whore and half mexican.  ;D

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« #9 : October 18, 2006, 07:27:40 AM »

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If we agree that the man hanged by franck was Cheyenne's brother (if we agree that), I would say that Cheyenne is half Mexican, or entirely mexican.

  This seemed to slip by when it was originally posted.  Cheyenne's brother?  Am I missing something or did shorty just type that when he meant Harmonica?  I'm hoping it was just a misprint.  ;D

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« #10 : October 18, 2006, 02:38:15 PM »

Hey, why can't Harmonica and Cheyenne be related? That might explain why the two have an almost instant affinity.



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« #11 : October 18, 2006, 04:20:25 PM »

Hey, why can't Harmonica and Cheyenne be related? That might explain why the two have an almost instant affinity.

because Harmonica=Death while Cheyenne=Mortal jeez how many times must i explan this.

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« #12 : October 19, 2006, 08:04:22 AM »

Until you change your mind.



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« #13 : October 19, 2006, 01:35:15 PM »

Until you change your mind.

Kurugen's right though...


Harmonica=Death
Cheyenne, Frank, Jill, and all other characters=mortals


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