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« : January 17, 2007, 04:04:21 PM »

Our "only at the point of dying" thread on OUTITW got me thinking of Leone's first flashback in this film.

Every time we see this its Indio's flashback with his POV. Now I'm wondering about it and if its actually more than just a simple flashback.

Basically we see Mortimer's sister & her husband sitting on the bed, then a cut to Indio peering in the window, next Indio is in the room with is gun out and he points and shoots down the husband, but we see no bullet wounds only the effects of them, next Indio pulls off the sheet covering Mortimers sister then he's next violating her, she grabs Indio's revolver puts it to the side of her chest and pulls the trigger, we see a very realistic horrendous entrance wound marring her skin.

So there was no problem showing that brutal wound, but no bullet holes or blood on the husband. I always thought that it probably was a faux pas, and its (the flashback) repeated what twice (and you think that would have been corrected by Leone) but now I'm not so sure. Since we are seeing Indio's POV he is in denial and possibly thinks that he didn't kill the husband hence he sees no bullet wounds. Now Mortimer's sister on the other hand kills herself and this Indio vividly remembers and we see the horrendous wound.


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« #1 : January 17, 2007, 04:51:15 PM »

This is an interesting idea. Yes, the subjective nature of the POV allows for the possibility that we are seeing things not as they happened but as Indio (selectively) remembers them. I don't think the lack of wounds on the husband, however, indicates a state of denial on Indio's part. Rather, the husband is totally unimportant to him, just one of hundreds of guys Indio has killed. No reason to remember any of the details associated with the man's death. The self-inflicted wound on the woman, however, is a life-changing event for Indio. From here we can trace the beginning of his fetishization of death, the point where sexual release and release from life first became intermingled in his mind. The gunshot wound is thus akin to a beaver shot, the flashback a piece of porn that Indio replays in his mind.



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« #2 : January 17, 2007, 08:10:43 PM »

Interesting, I think you nailed it down a bit better than I did  O0


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« #3 : January 17, 2007, 09:36:58 PM »

it's my feeling that when indio shoots and holds off on the obvious woundes received we know the man shot is shot dead. it's a guy shooting another guy. but, when someone is being raped and commits suicide, the wond should really be gory so in our minds we don't forget what an attrocity indio perpertrated. leone held back w/ the husband, then poured on the gore w/ the female's wond. which seemed to shock indio as well. and that errie morricone score.  :o

also he showed the entire mcbane family being masacured except leone holds back when frank shoots little timmy and that terrific sound the steam engine whistle is perfect. leone dosn't want us to see timmy's  head or guts, but he used facanating props leaving the gore in our immaginations. leone knows  an inner scence of where to pour it on on AND leave us w/ our imaginations reeling. extreamely delicate flair mr. leone used.  ;)

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« #4 : January 18, 2007, 01:00:04 PM »

I never thought of that. I always thought it was just budget money not enough, or that blood/ketchup satchels with triggered explosive weren't available.

In fact, I don't recall a shot in the movie with someone getting shot and the gunshot wound. Maybe there was, but I don't remember.

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« #5 : January 18, 2007, 04:28:32 PM »

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In fact, I don't recall a shot in the movie with someone getting shot and the gunshot wound. Maybe there was, but I don't remember.

Awww come on.....

Lol, You forgot one of the best ones right at the beginning the nice hole in Guy Calloway's forehead


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« #6 : January 19, 2007, 12:19:36 PM »

Awww come on.....

Lol, You forgot one of the best ones right at the beginning the nice hole in Guy Calloway's forehead

We saw the hole after but we didn't see the hole exploding in the head. I take it they painted the hole in his head and then told him to fall. :)


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« #7 : January 19, 2007, 01:31:36 PM »

We saw the hole after but we didn't see the hole exploding in the head. I take it they painted the hole in his head and then told him to fall. :)
that would be a good assumption  ;)

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« #8 : January 19, 2007, 02:07:10 PM »

In fact, I don't recall a shot in the movie with someone getting shot and the gunshot wound. Maybe there was, but I don't remember.

there was also blood on Groggy's dead body.


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« #9 : January 19, 2007, 02:51:16 PM »

there was also blood on Groggy's dead body.
it's fitting that when blondie shoots angel eyes a second time, to ease him into his pre dug grave, he has i nice neat hole right between his now "for real" angel eyes.  :-X

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« #10 : January 19, 2007, 04:48:16 PM »

We saw the hole after but we didn't see the hole exploding in the head.

Name a film made in 1965 where you would have seen such an image? As it was, Leone's films were thought to be intensly violent when first released.


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« #11 : January 21, 2007, 06:05:29 AM »

there was also blood on Groggy's dead body.

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« #12 : January 21, 2007, 05:48:32 PM »

Awww come on.....

Lol, You forgot one of the best ones right at the beginning the nice hole in Guy Calloway's forehead

Awww come on....Also In GBU doesn't it show a gunshot hole in one of Angel Eyes gang, led on the Bed with the idiot paper on him, Cant remember his name...."Slim" maybe

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« #13 : January 21, 2007, 06:17:12 PM »

Awww come on....Also In GBU doesn't it show a gunshot hole in one of Angel Eyes gang, led on the Bed with the idiot paper on him, Cant remember his name...."Slim" maybe

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« #14 : January 22, 2007, 10:33:34 PM »

Name a film made in 1965 where you would have seen such an image? As it was, Leone's films were thought to be intensly violent when first released.


Perhaps not 1965, but I can name a few flicks with some gory moments before that time...

andalusian dogs being one...





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