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« Reply #135 on: June 06, 2011, 01:41:12 PM »

Jenkins talks about the bruises in Bronson's face from the cut scene of his beating by some deputies. This bruises are visible in the scene at the McBain ranch, but later on they are gone.

Ah.

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« Reply #136 on: June 06, 2011, 01:42:16 PM »

Still, judging from some posts, I think not many people get what's going on between Cheyenne and Harmonica the first time they meet.

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« Reply #137 on: June 06, 2011, 01:58:15 PM »

And what did some people not get?

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« Reply #138 on: June 06, 2011, 05:44:43 PM »

Hmm, you still think he was dead ...

Why should he die from a shot in his shoulder?  Western heroes never cared for shots in arms legs and shoulders. I'm sure Leone respected this good ole tradition.

 I am in no way certain about the stdwd theory one way or another. But my problem with Harmonica's sling is unrelated to whether or not one supports the stdwd theory: It makes no sense that Harmonica puts his arm in a sling as he leaves Cattle Corner, and then he no longer needs the sling by the time he gets to the trading post on the same day. Is it a simple continuity error that he no longer has the sling at the trading post? I'm no doctor, but I can't imagine that after being shot and placing his arm in a sling, he would no longer need it just a few hours later. Even by Western conventions, to the best of my recollection, when someone places his arm in a sling after being shot, you usually see the sling for a while afterward, it's never gone in just a few hours

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« Reply #139 on: June 06, 2011, 09:11:57 PM »

Its "SOMETHING" to do with DEATH you can't really define it.  He needs a sling he has a bullet hole, he doesn't need the sling, the bullet hole slowly disappears. It would be a HUGE continuity error that makeup, costume, script, director, etc., etc.,  would have had to have MISSED. I don't think so.

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« Reply #140 on: June 06, 2011, 10:02:09 PM »

Its "SOMETHING" to do with DEATH you can't really define it.  He needs a sling he has a bullet hole, he doesn't need the sling, the bullet hole slowly disappears. It would be a HUGE continuity error that makeup, costume, script, director, etc., etc.,  would have had to have MISSED. I don't think so.

If his stdwd powers allow him to recover immediately without a sling, that's fine. If those powers do not extend to allowing him to recover instantly and he needs a sling to recover just as normal people do, that's fine too. What I cannot accept is that he does need a sling (as do normal people), but his stdwd powers allow him to need it for a much shorter period of time than most people. That doesn't make much sense to me.

I can accept the possibility that Harmonica has some somewhat defined stdwd powers. What I cannot accept is the possibility that he has  powers that are not defined and consistent.  I am not willing to allow the term "something" to be a cop-out for "anything Sergio wants it to mean at the moment," ie. inconsistent and undefined powers. I know this is cinema and I don't wanna get too technical. But I can't accept the notion that he needs a sling like most people, but for a (much) shorter period of time than most people. Just like I can't accept the notion that he usually knows to be in the right place at the right time except in one instance when he needs to trick Wobbles into leading him to Frank

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« Reply #141 on: June 06, 2011, 11:55:03 PM »

And what did some people not get?

That Cheyenne is toying with Harmonica (or at least he thinks so), to see if he poses any real threat to him. Cheyenne knows Harmonica is wounded. Am I wrong?

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« Reply #142 on: June 07, 2011, 02:08:07 AM »

Well, yes, seems to bee obvious. Who thought otherwise?

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« Reply #143 on: June 07, 2011, 02:15:23 AM »

I am in no way certain about the stdwd theory one way or another. But my problem with Harmonica's sling is unrelated to whether or not one supports the stdwd theory: It makes no sense that Harmonica puts his arm in a sling as he leaves Cattle Corner, and then he no longer needs the sling by the time he gets to the trading post on the same day.


Again we do not when the Cattle Corner scene happens. It could very well be happened days or even weeks before the McBain killing. Even at a place not that near from Flagstone.
If I need a logical explanation for the healing of Harmonica's wound, than this is my explanation.


Or did I miss something which makes definitely clear that the first scenes happen at the same time? I remember nothing in the dialogues which would let us assume for sure that Frank's "other business" is more than a phrase.

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« Reply #144 on: June 07, 2011, 08:29:11 AM »

Wobbles: I only arranged the meeting the way you wanted it; I don't know why Frank wasn't there
Harmonica: cuz he was at the McBains

you think Harmonica means "He was at the McBains weeks later"?

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« Reply #145 on: June 07, 2011, 02:00:25 PM »

Can't remember that dialogue. Maybe it was different in the German version. I have to check it.

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« Reply #146 on: June 12, 2011, 04:29:48 PM »

another discovery that we made not long ago was the fact that Harmonica asks Frank something like "so you found out that you are not a business man after all" refering to Frank's conversation with Morton, when he was never present for that conversation,  I believe it happens before Harmonica was on top of the private train car.

Check it out to make sure, I believe Peacemaker did confirm it.

I don't think that line is a proof the the stdwd theory: Frank's later actions (ie. trying to "win" the McBain ranch at the fixed auction) indicate that he is trying to become a businessman. So Harmonica (or any other observer) could have figured out that Frank was trying to become a businessman, even without knowng about that conversation between Frank and Morton

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« Reply #147 on: June 12, 2011, 05:15:07 PM »

Somthing to do with Death.
we at last get to the meaning of the film
"So your not a business man after all".
the final 20 minutes of the movie are Leone's
masterclass.
not only do we see what Frank and Harmonica are
two sides of the same coin.
but the geartest love scene in cinimatic history
between Jill and Harmonica.
And true to Leone its all done with the eyes and
very little dialogue.

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« Reply #148 on: October 21, 2011, 07:04:21 AM »

Frayling assumes it was a few hours later, but as the scene is actually presented we must assume that he did not stand up immediately, but we don't know how much time has gone.
Well, it is a railway station, and it is bit unlikely that he lies there for several hours unconcious with nobody else finding him.

Maybe he assumed the cut to the windmill was meant to be time elapse.

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« Reply #149 on: October 24, 2011, 07:11:02 AM »

Its "SOMETHING" to do with DEATH you can't really define it.  He needs a sling he has a bullet hole, he doesn't need the sling, the bullet hole slowly disappears. It would be a HUGE continuity error that makeup, costume, script, director, etc., etc.,  would have had to have MISSED. I don't think so.

I don't see how it's so hard to buy a continuity error like that CJ. Especially given that the film was shot out of sequence and someone may not have thought to apply make-up et cetera to Bronson.

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