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« : March 26, 2007, 09:43:23 AM »

Did Sergio Leone invent the Spaghetti Western?? 

If so, whats so different about a Spaghetti Western from a Western such as The Searchers?

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« #1 : March 26, 2007, 03:31:32 PM »

Well you can't say he invented Spaghetti Westerns, he was one of a few directors at the onset that produced what Leone preferred to call "Western's Italian Style," filmed in Spain, Sergio Corbucci was another. But before them, Germany was producing Winnetou/Old Shatterhand frontier epics shot around Spit, Yugoslavia.

Whats different is the whole jettisoning of the good guy-white hats vs, the bad guys-black hats preachy boy scout American style Westerns that were ground out from the beginning of movies till the 60's. Heros were ambiguous, realistic, and colored in shades of gray. Leones movies were filmed with an emphasis on STYLE, with very original music, and high degree of artistry in all aspects of the production.  Basically he used the "A" team.


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« #2 : March 26, 2007, 10:02:14 PM »


A great way your questions can be answered tone329, is by "snooping" around the site and also through the internet in general.  Members here are very enthusiastic about the genre (some more than others of course) but don't be afraid to post your opinion or comment on a specific interest.  I'd also advise you to post on the 'Welcome to the Board Thread', that way you can officially introduce yourself and get very good feedback.
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« #3 : March 27, 2007, 04:06:02 PM »

He neither invented nor received the genre: he transcended it.



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« #4 : March 27, 2007, 05:45:28 PM »

Thanks Dave.

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« #5 : April 01, 2007, 02:26:11 PM »

Well you can't say he invented Spaghetti Westerns, he was one of a few directors at the onset that produced what Leone preferred to call "Western's Italian Style," filmed in Spain, Sergio Corbucci was another. But before them, Germany was producing Winnetou/Old Shatterhand frontier epics shot around Spit, Yugoslavia.


"...around Spit, Yugoslavia..."

Around SPLIT!
(You missed one letter.)


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« #6 : April 01, 2007, 08:45:17 PM »

yea I did, lol.


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« #7 : April 02, 2007, 07:27:10 AM »

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He neither invented nor received the genre: he transcended it.

He maybe transcended AW with OUTW. But if we're talking about SW, he couldn't have transcended the genre (assuming he did) if he hadn't invented it first.


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« #8 : April 02, 2007, 09:34:12 AM »

He would not have needed to invent the genre to adopt its conventions, he could have taken over a franchise that others had started. But I'm not sure this is what he did. My point is that equating SL with SW is like saying Dostoevsky wrote crime fiction.



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« #9 : April 02, 2007, 04:34:45 PM »

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He would not have needed to invent the genre to adopt its conventions, he could have taken over a franchise that others had started.

Sure, if only that franchise had been existing. Which was not the case. Italian (and euro) western had been existing before Leone. But SW before FOD was nowhere to be seen. So much so that you have just to compare the twin movie to FOD to see that that kind of western is not spaghetti. In fact nobody in Italy, before Leone, had thought that you needed a special expression for italian westerns, like it happened "after" FOD started the new genre, i.e. "western all'italiana".
About Dostoevsky, we have just to establish what crime fiction is. Then you can put the Bible, Shakespeare and whatever in the genre; or let them out.
 


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« #10 : April 03, 2007, 08:49:53 AM »


About Dostoevsky, we have just to establish what crime fiction is. Then you can put the Bible, Shakespeare and whatever in the genre; or let them out.
 
And SWs as well, no doubt.



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