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« on: March 31, 2007, 12:48:05 PM »

This is a thread dedicated to all the real untapped stories that they could use for a film adaptation.

I was just wondering why they haven't made a movie about the Lewis and Clark expedition (or have they?).  Pretty amazing story (not to mention two of the manliest men who ever lived).  Of course, now if somebody made it they'd probably take the easy way out (gosh-darn blue/green-screens).


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Another great story is the traditional tale of "Stagger Lee" aka Stagolee, Stackalee, Stack O'Lee, etc.  It's probably not long enough to make a feature out of, unless you added a lot of subplots and ficitionalization, but that's ok, because it's hard to tell what really happens in the story anyway.  If you don't already know, Stagger Lee is a song that's been recorded (literally) hundreds of times, and talks about how Stagger Lee shot and killed Billy Lyons (also DeLyons and DeLiles in some versions) over a five-dollar stetson hat that was stolen from him in some versions, simply touched by billy in other versions, and lost in a gambling game of cards in yet some other versions.  The only records of what truly happened are in a newspaper article on the killing, and all the songs (but the songs vary with nearly every version in details).  I understand there was a "graphic novel" on the subject recently.  I personally have never read a whole comic book in my life, but this one sounds interesting. I understand "Eric" is graphic-novel initiated.  Have you read it, Eric?



I happened to find two sets of lyrics from two of my favorite versions on Wikipedia.

This is a detailed one by Lloyd Price.

(intro) The night was clear, and the moon was yellow
And the leaves came tumblin' down. . .

I was standing on a corner
When I heard my bull dog bark
He was barking at two men
Who were gambling in the dark

It was Stagger Lee and Billy
Two men who gambled late
Stagger Lee threw a seven
Billy swore that he threw eight

Stagger Lee he told Billy
"I can't let you go with that
You won all o' my money
And my brand new Stetson hat."

Stagger Lee started off walking
Down that old railroad track
He turned and told Billy
"Don't be here when I come back"

Then old Stagger Lee, he went home
And he got his forty-four
He said "I'm going down to the barroom
To pay that debt I owe"

bridge: Go, Stagger Lee!

Stagger Lee went to the barroom
Walked across that barroom floor
He said, "Now, nobody move"
And he pulled out his forty-four

"Oh, Stagger Lee," cried Billy
"Please don't take my life
I got three little children
And a very sickly wife"

Stagger Lee... shot Billy
Oh, he shot that poor boy so bad
Till the bullet went through Billy
And it broke the bartender's glass.





And here's my personal favorite version, by Mississippi John Hurt:


Po-lice officer, how can it be?
You can 'rest everybody but cruel Stagolee
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee

Billy DeLyon told Stagolee, "Please don't take my life
I got two little babes and a darling, loving wife"
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee

"What'd I care about your two little babes and darling, loving wife?
You done stole my Stetson hat, I'm bound to take your life."
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee

Boom boom, boom boom,
Went the forty-four.
Well when I spied Billy DeLyon
He's lyin' down on the floor.
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee

Gentlemens of the Jury,
What you think of that?
Stagolee killed Billy DeLyon
'bout a five-dollar Stetson hat.
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee

Standin' on the gallows, head way up high
At twelve o'clock, they killed him, they's all glad to see him die
That bad man, oh cruel Stagolee




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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2007, 01:02:55 PM »

I think there are lots of little stories in every country's history... I'm not familiar with it too much, because there were many films from Czech history, but I think this one wasn't shot...
It's the story of the Czech duke Sobeslav, who actually shouldn't have become duke, because he was the youngest son. He had conflicts with other nobles in the country and one of them complained about him at the German ruler Lothar (forgot where exactly did he rule). And the Germans fought with the Czechs. It was in winter and in the first battle the Czechs surprisingly won (and among others killed the nobleman who caused it all.) Then the main part of the German army, with Lothar, expected overwhelming attack, but it didn't come and Sobeslav suggested negotiations and peace instead and let Lothar go.
I read a comics based on this and I think it could have some potential, if it had, as usuall, another story added to it. I think especially the medieval battle scenes in snow could be great. Wink

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2007, 01:15:21 PM »

Interesting.

I think there could be an awesome movie about the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.  I mean, it's a very important story since it essentially triggered WWI.  When our history teacher told us all the details of the story everybody was captivated (literally, EVERYBODY).



Here's Mississippi john hurt's version of Stagger Lee, if anyone's interested.

http://www.archive.org/details/Mississippi_John_Hurt-Stack_O_Lee



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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2007, 01:26:00 PM »

I think there could be an awesome movie about the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.  I mean, it's a very important story since it essentially triggered WWI. 

Yes! Especially with those photographs (I posted them in History Photo Challenge) - the filmmakers would have something as a base.
And with the fact they knew something would happen, but he still went there - and even had such a stupid weak defence... and went there with his wife. Whom he really must have loved, because he married her, though she wasn't so noble (I mean, she was noble, but not as much as him), so he was told not to marry her.

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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2007, 01:28:09 PM »

Here are Nick Cave's song lyrics

Nick Cave - Stagger Lee Lyrics

It was back in '32 when times were hard
He had a Colt .45 and a deck of cards
Stagger Lee
He wore rat-drawn shoes and an old stetson hat
Had a '28 Ford, had payments on that
Stagger Lee
His woman threw him out in the ice and snow
And told him, "Never ever come back no more"
Stagger Lee
So he walked through the rain and he walked through the mud
Till he came to a place called The Bucket Of Blood
Stagger Lee
He said "Mr Motherfucker, you know who I am"
The barkeeper said, "No, and I don't give a good goddamn"
To Stagger Lee
He said, "Well bartender, it's plain to see
I'm that bad motherfucker called Stagger Lee"
Mr. Stagger Lee
Barkeep said, "Yeah, I've heard your name down the way
And I kick motherfucking asses like you every day"
Mr Stagger Lee
Well those were the last words that the barkeep said
'Cause Stag put four holes in his motherfucking head
Just then in came a broad called Nellie Brown
Was known to make more money than any bitch in town
She struts across the bar, hitching up her skirt
Over to Stagger Lee, she starts to flirt
With Stagger Lee
She saw the barkeep, said, "O God, he can't be dead!"
Stag said, "Well, just count the holes in the motherfucker's head"
She said, "You ain't look like you scored in quite a time.
Why not come to my pad? It won't cost you a dime"
Mr. Stagger Lee
"But there's something I have to say before you begin
You'll have to be gone before my man Billy Dilly comes in,
Mr. Stagger Lee"
"I'll stay here till Billy comes in, till time comes to pass
And furthermore I'll fuck Billy in his motherfucking ass"
Said Stagger Lee
"I'm a bad motherfucker, don't you know
And I'll crawl over fifty good pussies just to get one fat boy's asshole"
Said Stagger Lee
Just then Billy Dilly rolls in and he says, "You must be
That bad motherfucker called Stagger Lee"
Stagger Lee
"Yeah, I'm Stagger Lee and you better get down on your knees
And suck my dick, because If you don't you're gonna be dead"
Said Stagger Lee
Billy dropped down and slobbered on his head
And Stag filled him full of lead
Oh yeah.

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2007, 03:09:44 PM »

I personally have never read a whole comic book in my life, but this one sounds interesting. I understand "Eric" is graphic-novel initiated.  Have you read it, Eric?

You can call me Eric, sans quotations. It's my real name.  Afro

I haven't read this particular version, but the book looks interesting. There's more info at the following sites:
http://www.staggerleebook.com/
http://staggerlee.typepad.com/

My first experience with the Stagger Lee legend came from the intro to the Clash version of "Wrong 'Em Boyo" by Clive Alphonso:

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Stagger Lee met Billy and they go down to gambling
Stagger Lee throwed seven
Billy said that he throwed eight
So Billy said, hey Stagger! I'm gonna make my big attack
I'm gonna have to leave my knife in your back

Why do you try to cheat?
And trample people under your feet
Don't you know it is wrong?
To cheat the trying man
So you better stop, it is the wrong 'em boyo

You lie, steal, cheat and deceit
In such a small, small game
Don't you know it is wrong

Billy Boy has been shot
And Stagger Lee's come out on top
Don't you know it is wrong
To cheat the trying man
To cheat Stagger man
You'd better stop
So you must start all over again-all over again
You got to play it, Billy, play, you got to play it, Billy, play
And you will find it is the right 'em boyo

But if you must lie and deceit
And trample people under your feet
Don't you know it is wrong
It is the wrong 'em boyo


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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2007, 09:10:00 AM »

You can call me Eric, sans quotations. It's my real name.  Afro

I haven't read this particular version, but the book looks interesting. There's more info at the following sites:
http://www.staggerleebook.com/
http://staggerlee.typepad.com/

My first experience with the Stagger Lee legend came from the intro to the Clash version of "Wrong 'Em Boyo" by Clive Alphonso:



Noted.  Grin

I have seen that first website, but not the second. Thanks! I forgot to mention that the way I found out about this book was when they were doing the feature on the "Bluesville" station (I was in a rental car that had XM  Afro )

I've heard that Clash version, it's good, and a completely different perspective than most Stagger Lee songs.  I haven't heard the original Alphonso version of Wrong 'Em Boyo, and the Nick Cave version of Stagger Lee that Frank's Harmonica pointed out is always an... interesting listen.

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2007, 10:18:04 AM »

A good epic about Abraham Lincoln.

A good epic about The Beatles.

A good epic about a non-Muhammad Ali boxer.

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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2007, 11:32:23 AM »

A good epic about a non-Muhammad Ali boxer.

Sonny Liston, maybe. Grin

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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2007, 11:50:25 AM »

A good epic about Abraham Lincoln.

Perhaps not an epic but Young Mr Lincoln is a very, very good Ford film.

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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2007, 07:37:42 PM »

A good epic about The Beatles.

And perhaps not an epic, but Hard Day's Night is a very, very good Beatles film.

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2007, 07:54:43 PM »

Sonny Liston, maybe. Grin
Rocky Marciano? Joe Louis? Both were done before, both sucked.

As for A Hard Day's Night, I really liked it.

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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2007, 11:43:50 PM »

Well, no one has gone the extra mile and done a COMPLETELY NON-FICTION historical film. 

People claim that something like that would be too boring or simply wouldn't attract much attention, but directors tend to like the rearrangement of facts. It depends on whatever they feel like putting into their "masterpiece".

And believe me, history itself can be equally or even more interesting than fiction.
I don't know, i guess people have phoebia of the truth. There are plenty of sources that can be used to make a wonderful film based completely on factual evidence (personal diaries, historical records, journals, etc.). 
Even the gathering of evidence would be tricky, however, since each "side" has the habbit of creating their own history. 
It's not what's in books that history should highlight, but rather the personal accounts of those who lived through each era. The film i picture wouldn't be a mere documentary but something like a glimpse at the person's life, or at the war or the movement that was taking place.

I think it would be very interesting to see something like this. It would certainly be an epic if handled well by the director.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2007, 09:20:02 PM »

How about the true story of Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunch?

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2007, 04:40:09 PM »

I have about a million ideas rattling around in my giant skull. Three that I'm particularly fond of, or at least I have given much thought to.

1) The Afghan film, basically a historical action film set in Afghanistan during World War I.  Britain and Russia are still competing in their "great game" for dominance of Central Asia, even as they are allies against Germany and Turkey, and Afghanistan is playing all sides against the middle.  Enter your usual bloodthirsty Afghan warlord, who attacks a Russian military garrison.  The Russians press the Brits to go after it, and the British in India send a super-secret T.E. Lawrence-esque secret agent to meet with the warlord, with instructions to recruit him to the British side, or destroy him.

Admittedly this is very cliche and very muddled at this point, but if I ever get the time or stamina to focus on this idea I think I could make something of it. 

2) This second one is very unoriginal, it's basically a remake of "The Sand Pebbles" set in Mexico instead of China, and with the USMC instead of the Navy.  It takes place during the US occupation of Vera Cruz in 1914 and centers on an iconoclastic Marine officer who grows disillusioned and disgusted with the petty politics, corruption and brutality he sees around him in the occupied town.  It wouldn't be a Western, but it would involve US Marines, Mexicans of all kinds of loyalties, plus quite a few Germans and other foreigners too.

3) The true story of General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, the German general who, with a few thousand German and African native forces, held off the Allied armies under Jan Smuts in German East Africa during WWI for four years.  I think that story's just asking to be made into a film.

There are also many other stories, including the Western and the Russian idea I've posted on here before.

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