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« #45 : January 30, 2010, 03:22:57 AM »

Dear Cigar Joe, many thanks for providing the picture! This sketch was done pre-production?

@ Titoli: It sounds exaggerated to have so many costumes made, you're right, so I looked it up again. The documentary I'm refering to is a included in the special features of the '3:10 to Yuma' DVD with Russell Crowe and Christian Bale and part of the 'making of'. The costumes designer who is interviewed states that her company provided 80% of the costumes needed and says literally: "We have made well over 500 pieces at least. Could be over 700 or over 1.000." She further adds:"Because every single costume that is on camera is multiplied multiple times for all the stunt work". If the extras are included in this count, then of course  there are less costumes per main character available and in that case I've misunderstood what she tried to say. But if this effort has been done for the principal characters only this would yield to rather a lot of identical costumes per character and that was what I wanted to say - it puts this production in a strong contrast to GBU even if there weren't so much as 20 costumes per character made.  Quantity is not a substitute for quality and that is the point I wanted to make. Is this alright with you?

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« #46 : January 30, 2010, 04:17:37 AM »

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If this was done before the shooting, it is odd it bears not the pristine movie title "The Magnificent Stranger".

Adds more mystery, so now we need to research when the changed the title, no? .....and why make a sketch when you could just photograph it?

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« #47 : January 30, 2010, 03:13:33 PM »

Adds more mystery, so now we need to research when the changed the title, no? .

It was post-production, as Eastwood went back to the States ignoring the definitve title and in the working pictures I saw the title on the clapboard is TMS.

And yes, Elliot Belt, your new interpretation makes sense: considering all of the hundreds of people to be seen in the new Yuma (but I thought you were referring to the original version) the number is reasonable.




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« #48 : January 30, 2010, 05:40:59 PM »

It was post-production, as Eastwood went back to the States ignoring the definitve title and in the working pictures I saw the title on the clapboard is TMS.
This must be the case. It is highly unlikely that someone would do a design sketch of a poncho, and then they would find in Spain (or wherever) a poncho answering to every detail of that design. And I've yet to hear of anything supporting the notion that SL had a poncho specially woven. They had barely any budget at all, forced to piggy-back on another production to economize; how could they have afforded to have a poncho specially woven? They went with the cheapest option.



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« #49 : January 30, 2010, 06:53:41 PM »

And still the box with title and director might have been added later for cataloguing purposes. In fact the hat of the figure is not the one worn by Eastwood.




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« #50 : February 04, 2010, 04:37:56 AM »

This is just a theory with almost no facts, but... isn't that a rather common design of a poncho actually?
I'm only basing this on the fact that I've seen very similar ponchos, in different colours, used in other SW's. I don't remember where exactly, I just know that the totally obscure Quintana seems to be wearing a poncho with the same design, only in deep red, from what I've seen.
Well, if this is a common design - just a guess, of course - then it could have been drawn beforehand, couldn't it?



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« #51 : February 22, 2010, 06:32:09 PM »

Eastwoods poncho is like Supermans cape. He has a lethal arsonal under it. It also set him apart from the other characters.


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« #52 : January 09, 2024, 05:51:19 PM »

According to Schickel's Eastwood's bio the poncho was bought in Spain. Eastwood repeatedly claimed he bought it in USA himself. Though I'm rather inclined to disbelieve whatever the actor has to say pertaining to FOD (in the same book he even claims it was he who first suggested the use of extreme closeups to L. ::)), I wonder whether it was so easy finding a poncho in Spain in the '60's.

But it must have been as in the clips shot on the set Leone is shown wearing a poncho different from the one worn by Eastwood. I wonder why he's wearing that poncho. Of course, that should be another proof that Eastwood didn't buy the poncho in California.


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« #53 : January 12, 2024, 06:35:50 AM »

I would think that if Clint bought the poncho in California that he would've purchased more than one.  He had learned a lot during his Rawhide days, and he knew the hazards of not having duplicate clothing.

The one real poncho (which I saw, at the Leone exhibit in Los Angeles) is still owned by Clint, and has the bulletholes from Fistful of Dollars sewn up, and in a few scenes from the later films (as well in FOD, shot out of sequence).  He typically rotated the poncho position to be hidden from the camera, but he or the continuity person did make a couple of mistakes (there's a thread on this subject on this site somewhere).

Similarly, Clint's hat from For a Few Dollars More shows up in the end of GBU with its bulletholes sewed up.

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« #54 : February 23, 2024, 09:59:46 AM »

 IIRC, there is no similar trick in Yojimbo; the ploy was developed specifically for AFoD.


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« #55 : February 24, 2024, 08:02:29 AM »

O0 IIRC, there is no similar trick in Yojimbo; the ploy was developed specifically for AFoD.
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« #56 : February 25, 2024, 04:02:51 PM »

Isn't there a Carlo Simi sketch of the poncho in one of the Leone /SW Books that we have?


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« #57 : February 25, 2024, 06:36:55 PM »

According to Le Bon, it's in Frayling's Once Upon A Time in Italy. https://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4693.0



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« #58 : February 26, 2024, 06:49:26 AM »

According to Le Bon, it's in Frayling's Once Upon A Time in Italy.
I have that book.

I've also seen the real poncho, was on display at the Leone exhibit in Los Angeles like 2 decades ago, along with the rattlesnake pistol, boots, etc.  The poncho was a dark green that eventually faded to a brown with sun exposure.

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