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« #120 : February 23, 2013, 11:23:53 PM »

I recently watched Rio Bravo again, and I think I'm liking it less now. It just seems a bit too lighthearted for me. No, I am not talking about the comedic stuff with Walter Brennan or Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez; that stuff is hilarious and having those jokes don't take away from the movie being serious. And the cutesy stuff with Angie Dicksinson is mostly fine as well. Even a good drama can have plenty of moments of funny shit.

But what bothers me is when, within a scene that is supposed to be serious, there is inappropriate lightheartedness/comedy. The most egregious example is the final shootout. It should be a really good set piece, but much of it is ruined by the clowning around. Firstly, when Chance and Colorado are talking about whether Dude can take Joe, and Colorado says "he's got a funny way of taking him," that whole snatch of dialogue is done in a way too lighthearted manner. And then with Stumpy throwing the dynamite, with all that giggling, and him whining about never being thanked, that's just not the right moment.

I used to consider this movie my favorite AW. After a few re-watchings, I have to say that while it's still a classic, it could have been perfect if it would have stayed serious in those scenes that are supposed to be serious, most importantly the final shootout.


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« #121 : July 23, 2013, 05:00:51 AM »

 general question about aspect ratios, which we'd been discussing above:

So the two most common aspect ratios of widescreen movies are 1.85:1 and 2.35:1 (at least in America; I know Europe uses 1.66:1 a lot). Is it always the case that the 1.85:1 (and 1.66:1) movies are flat, while the 2.35:1 movies are anamorphic?


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« #122 : July 23, 2013, 12:05:52 PM »

Not always. There are several exceptions from the rule.

VistaVision for example has a 1,66:1 or a 1,85:1 aspect ratio, but is done with 35 mm film stock running horizontally through the camera. The theatrical print can in that case only be hard matted. The Searchers or The Birds are VistaVision films.

The from Leone preferred Technicsope was not anamorphic, but here the theatrical prints had to be then anamorphic (cause there were no projectors to play the Techniscope prints), but then also not Techniscope anymore. As there are no projectors (or only a few) for Techniscope the restoration of Techniscope negatives is a bit tricky.


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« #123 : May 06, 2015, 10:20:21 AM »

Warner Bros. is releasing a BRD set called John Wayne Westerns Film Collection on June 2, 2015 http://goo.gl/fTOjmZ

The set will feature Fort Apache, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, The Train Robbers, and Cahill U.S. Marshal.



As far as I can tell: The Train Robbers and Cahill U.S. Marshal have never been released on BRD; those films will also be available on June 2 for purchase as an individual BRD; pre-order price on Amazon is less than ten bucks.

Fort Apache and The Searchers have already been released as individual BRD's.

Rio Bravo was previously released on BRD, and then it immediately became unavailable (except for one or two people selling rare copies on Amazon for a lot of money), there may have been some problem with the release, maybe it was screwed up, I am not really sure. But I am anxious to see how the new BRD of Rio Bravo looks. Rio Bravo will also be available on June 2 as a single BRD.

I have no idea whether the discs in this boxset will have anything more than each movie's individual discs, or whether Fort Apache, The Searchers, and Rio Bravo will simply be reissues of the previously released BRD, or new versions of it. For that info, I guess we'll have to wait for DJ to share the reviews from Beaver, Blu-ray.com, et. al.

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As far as I am concerned: I already own the Fort Apache BRD, I am not a big fan of The Searchers, and I haven't yet seen The Train Robbers or Cahill U.S. Marshal but I doubt they'll be that good that I'll need to own them on BRD. So for me it's just a question of Rio Bravo: if the BRD looks good and is an improvement over the DVD, then I'll buy the single-disc BRD. That's all. This boxset doesn't make sense for me unless it turns out that it offers extra stuff above what the individual discs offer.


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« #124 : May 07, 2015, 11:33:15 AM »

Rio Bravo will also be available on June 2 as a single BRD.
This appears to be a reissue of the previous Blu that went OOP. I'm sure it is the same transfer, which Blu-ray.com said had PQ of 3.75/5. Not great, but the disc is so cheap I would imagine anyone who likes the film would want to buy it.
http://www.amazon.com/Rio-Bravo-Blu-ray/dp/B00THZUSR4?



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« #125 : May 08, 2015, 01:49:20 PM »

This appears to be a reissue of the previous Blu that went OOP. I'm sure it is the same transfer, which Blu-ray.com said had PQ of 3.75/5. Not great, but the disc is so cheap I would imagine anyone who likes the film would want to buy it.
http://www.amazon.com/Rio-Bravo-Blu-ray/dp/B00THZUSR4?

do you have any reason to believe it will be a reissue, or are you just assuming it because the cover looks the same?

Why did the original BRD disappear so quickly? If it was cuz there were problems, then why would they reissue the same disc?

BTW, if PQ of the BRD is 3.75/5, maybe it won't look any better than the DVD? But as you say, it is so cheap that if you're a big fan of the movie, it's worth just spending the ten bucks on the chance it may offer something good. This is one of my favorite AW's of all time, so I'd spend the ten bucks without blinking unless I hear that it is a disaster


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« #126 : May 09, 2015, 02:10:51 PM »

Why did the original BRD disappear so quickly? If it was cuz there were problems, then why would they reissue the same disc?
I don't know the answer to any of this, but Blu-ray.com doesn't mention any problems with the disc in the review, and I'm sure they would have if there were some. Companies delete titles for any number of reasons, including rights issues or when the master plan changes at HQ. Sometimes it's because they can improve the release, but this rarely happens. They prefer to have fans buy a substandard release first and then offer them the chance to upgrade so they can get your money twice (this is known in the industry as the Andrea Leone Move). In the present case I haven't heard any news about a Rio Bravo restoration or a new scan of better elements or anything like that. That sort of thing usually commands a higher price tag. But we'll see.



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« #127 : July 30, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »

I recently watched Rio Bravo again, and I think I'm liking it less now. It just seems a bit too lighthearted for me. No, I am not talking about the comedic stuff with Walter Brennan or Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez; that stuff is hilarious and having those jokes don't take away from the movie being serious. And the cutesy stuff with Angie Dicksinson is mostly fine as well. Even a good drama can have plenty of moments of funny shit.

But what bothers me is when, within a scene that is supposed to be serious, there is inappropriate lightheartedness/comedy. The most egregious example is the final shootout. It should be a really good set piece, but much of it is ruined by the clowning around. Firstly, when Chance and Colorado are talking about whether Dude can take Joe, and Colorado says "he's got a funny way of taking him," that whole snatch of dialogue is done in a way too lighthearted manner. And then with Stumpy throwing the dynamite, with all that giggling, and him whining about never being thanked, that's just not the right moment.

I used to consider this movie my favorite AW. After a few re-watchings, I have to say that while it's still a classic, it could have been perfect if it would have stayed serious in those scenes that are supposed to be serious, most importantly the final shootout.

I agree.  This movie is too lighthearted.  Let me back up.  I never wanted to view this in the first place because I couldn't take a Western serious with Dean Martin and Rickey Nelson in it.  After seeing one too many times that John Wayne and Howard Hawks made this in response to High Noon, I decided to see what it was all about.  This movie is laughable when compared to High Noon. In fact you can't compare them.  Even without a High Noon comparison,  I still didn't like this movie.  4 out of 10...

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« #128 : July 30, 2018, 07:33:50 PM »

I actually watched this all the way through today, I've seen bits and pieces before but never a proper sitting. Howard Hawks and John Wayne's answer to High Noon. 

Cast includes John Wayne .as Sheriff John T. Chance,  Dean Martin as Dude ('Borachón') ,  Ricky Nelson as  Colorado Ryan,  Angie Dickinson as  Feathers, Walter Brennan as  Stumpy, Ward Bond as  Pat Wheeler,  John Russell as Nathan Burdette,  Pedro Gonzalez Gonzalez as Carlos Robante,  Estelita Rdoriguez as Consuela Robante, and  Claude Akins as Joe Burdette.

First off its practically all town bound,  most of the outdoor locations filmed in Old Tuscon Arizona, no landscape whatsoever which is a minus in my book, and even though its an answer to High Noon it seems that High Noon has much more establishing scenery. Basically Joe Burdette taunts Dude (who is a drunkard) in a saloon drinking in front of him. He asks him if he wants a drink and throws a dollar coin into a spitoon. Chance witnesses this and kicks the spitoon away from Dude before he goes diving for the dollar. Dude grabs a piece of wood and conks Chance over the head kncking him out, then he lunges at Burdette but some of Burdettes men grab him and Burdette begins to punch Dude out. Another bystander comes to Dudes rescue and Burdette shoots him point blank and leaves the saloon.

Burdette walks down the street to his own saloon and there a little while later is confronted by Chance. Some more of Burdettes men get the drop on Chance, but Dude sneaks in and grabs a gun and hip shoots the gun out of Burdettes man's hand while Chance slams Burdette up side the head with his Winchester. Chance & Dude drag Burdette off to jail and the premise of the film is set. Joe Burdette in jail and Nathan Burdette is out to save his brother.

Never is any adequate screen time given the villians John Russel and Claude Adkins never seem all that menacing, way way too much time is spent with Chance, Dude, Stumpy, Colorado, and Feathers. Lots and lots of dialog that goes on way way too long its more of a character study that is never all that very interesting. The realtionship between Chance & Feathers seems like a serious case of cradle robbing and its not believeable for an instant.

So the answer to High Noon is Chance don't need any help he can manage with his deputies a drunk, a kid, and a cripple old man, against the outlaws.

I just don't see what is so great about this film its a bit tedious.

I agree.  Really,  I'm gonna be honest, this is not a good movie.  And this is the answer to High Noon? lmao

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« #129 : July 30, 2018, 07:47:14 PM »

This is a far better movie than High Noon IMO


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« #130 : July 30, 2018, 09:00:07 PM »

This is a far better movie than High Noon IMO

 There is nothing about Rio Bravo that i like.  Red River is a MASTERPIECE.  Its impossible to believe that the same director made both films.

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« #131 : July 30, 2018, 09:06:36 PM »

There is nothing about Rio Bravo that i like.  Red River is a MASTERPIECE.  Its impossible to believe that the same director made both films.

"Red River" is indeed a great film – but significantly flawed, as well. Read the book it was based on for the great possibilities that story had.


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« #132 : July 31, 2018, 02:48:25 AM »

There is nothing about Rio Bravo that i like.  Red River is a MASTERPIECE.  Its impossible to believe that the same director made both films.

Very easy to believe.
Both films are through and through coined by Hawks. Just like nearly every film he made, at least since the mid 30s.


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« #133 : August 01, 2018, 12:13:20 AM »

I watched it again as well few days ago :). For the 20th time? One of the few films
I did see in 35mm, 16mm, on TV, VHS, Laser, DVD & Blu-ray :).
It will always be in my Top 10, one of the coolest films ever made, Hawks at his very best.
I had the pleasure to talk with Tarantino for a while (before he became a superstar)
and we ONLY talked about RIO BRAVO, before they had to rush him off. His love
for the film is all over his own filmography. I miss Hawks so much - he never really cared
about plot, instead he created cool characters & superb scenes which is far more important and much
more difficult to achieve then just creating "a little tension".



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« #134 : August 01, 2018, 12:30:46 AM »

I watched it again as well few days ago :). For the 20th time? One of the few films
I did see in 35mm, 16mm, on TV, VHS, Laser, DVD & Blu-ray :).
It will always be in my Top 10, one of the coolest films ever made, Hawks at his very best.
I had the pleasure to talk with Tarantino for a while (before he became a superstar)
and we ONLY talked about RIO BRAVO, before they had to rush him off. His love
for the film is all over his own filmography. I miss Hawks so much - he never really cared
about plot, instead he created cool characters & superb scenes which is far more important and much
more difficult to achieve then just creating "a little tension".

But diffusing tension where it would naturally be - by injecting unncecessary comedic crap in the wrong places - is also not good. I love this movie, but it does have a few significant flaws. Not in my all-time top 10 movies, but definitely in my all-time Top 10 AW’s. I prefer RED RIVER (which has its own well-documened flaws).

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