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« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2014, 08:52:20 AM »

1) What's the 1945 census detector for?

I don't understand the question. From the 1910 to 1940 censuses we've got a partial picture of Harry's life and family and the 1945 census may help to fill in some of the missing items.
 
2) Where's Geller's Candy Store? In NY?

In the Bronx, where Harry lived most of his life. Forget Delancey Street - if Harry or his family ever lived there it would have been before 1910.

The store is quite close to one of Harry's addresses and although I don't have any further details, some of the Gellers connected with the store have a dancing and acting background.

As I said at the beginning of my previous post "I've not seen any further significant items". I include the Geller/Gelly information merely for the sake of completeness. At present I do not not see it as a significant item.

 

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« Reply #151 on: March 30, 2014, 02:09:20 AM »

I wouldn't expect that a picture will be found in the cemetery records and I've not seen any photos on the internet or family tree sites such as ancestry.com.

Some of Harry's relatives will have a photo and if Harry's son Simeon is to be believed Harry was a frequent guest speaker for the BBC on the Roaring Twenties and Thirties. There may be archive footage but Simeon may be confusing him with another Harry Grey who was a successful composer, musician and producer.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002590/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

Harry was not a high profile gangster but if he was ever arrested or did anything noteworthy, local newspapers may have published a picture. If the Harry Goldberg mentioned in Abe Shoenfeld's report is our Harry, there may be a photo in the Jewish Archives.

From Frayling's 'Something To Do With Death' and his videos, I get the impression that Frayling has seen a photo. It's possibly another avenue to explore.

We already have Leone's own description of Harry in Simsolo's Conversations avec Sergio Leone "He reminded me of Edward G. Robinson. The same style: small, stocky, bull neck, hair and very white skin as rosy as that of a baby. Handsome, truly handsome."

Whilst it may be good to see a photo, my main interest is the true story of Harry's life. In my opinion 'The Hoods' is a fictionalized partial autobiography and whilst it may be based on real events, the description of some of those events is not wholly accurate and the description of Harry's involvement in many of them is probably not true. This does not mean that Harry led a crime free life.

 

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« Reply #152 on: March 30, 2014, 05:34:33 AM »

You mean BBC tv or radio?
According to STDWD, Leone said Goldberg wanted secrecy. (Maybe some gangsters were still looking for him all these years later, if he really did rat out that booze shipment?)
If that's the case, I find it hard to believe he would go on BBC and let everyone see what he looked like. On the other hand, Frayling does say Grey had publicity photos (maybe those were taken years earlier?) so who knows.....

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« Reply #153 on: March 30, 2014, 05:42:58 AM »

My above posts are a sort of "by the way" to anyone who wants to see Grey's photo. Personally - while it may be interesting to know the real story of the real Noodles, and I'd take a glance at his pic if anyone found it - I have no real interest in seeing it or making any attempt to find it.
I have no fascination or admiration for a guy who was a thief and murderer (at worst; and/or a liar at best). I love the movie, but not the real-life Grey; if he actually did half the things he said he did, he is the scum of the earth.

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« Reply #154 on: March 30, 2014, 05:45:05 AM »

Anyway, IMO, as Chris implied, best bet may be to try to contact Frayling.

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« Reply #155 on: March 31, 2014, 02:05:13 AM »

Let's contact Frayling! And let's see in the Jewish Archives!

Good idea but of course HG you are the one who most wants to see a photo. I know when I've raised the subject previously you have said that you have no expertise in these matters but none of us are research experts and you know a lot more about Jewish culture and history than I do.

If you are serious about wanting a photo, you need to take some action yourself, do a few searches and write a few emails and letters. Or just forget about it in the hope that at some future date someone else will make public the items you want to see.

     

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« Reply #156 on: March 31, 2014, 06:56:57 AM »

@Chris: you mean pay this website to have pictures?

http://www.ajhs.org/collections/photographic_collections.cfm

Or you mean another Jewish Archives?

If your sole interest is a photo, I'd try Frayling, relatives and the BBC first.  Frayling is a board member  http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=1970 but I'm not sure if he will respond to a PM. I have written to him once and received a prompt and helpful reply but he no longer works for the organization I wrote to. 

There are some photographs in the Abe Shoenfeld papers but he was probably more into writing vignettes. A starting point for accessing part of Shoenfeld's papers would be to contact  http://www.ajhs.org regarding accessing procedures and there are some additional details at http://findingaids.cjh.org/?pID=611930.

 

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« Reply #157 on: April 01, 2014, 08:35:10 AM »

I think chris is telling you he does NOT want to do the search. Thank him for his past work and pick up the rest yourself.

Just a tip: If/when you do find a picture of that murdering thief, try not to cum all over it, that'll ruin your years of work.

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« Reply #158 on: April 02, 2014, 06:21:18 AM »

Quick note re Sir Christopher Frayling.

At present he's doing a lot of work for The University of Lancaster.

E-mail:  c.frayling@lancaster.ac.uk

http://filmlancaster.wordpress.com/tag/christopher-frayling/

  

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« Reply #159 on: July 08, 2014, 11:33:26 AM »

The following is an extract from an Italian website:



Brief Biography

Harry Grey is an American writer. His first novel, 'The Hoods', published in 1952, inspired the famous Sergio Leone film 'Once Upon a Time in America' (1984). The book is a sort of autobiography, inspired by the author's personal past in the world of crime. After 'The Hoods' Harry Grey published two other novels, 'Call Me Duke' (1955) and 'Portrait of a Mobster' (1958), which, however, have enjoyed less success.

http://www.ilnarratore.com/autori/idx/646/Grey-Harry.html

Obviously I can't confirm the authenticity of the photo.

 

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« Reply #160 on: July 08, 2014, 12:39:09 PM »

Wikipedia says it's more likely to be Harry Boland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Boland

When you google the image you get more sources. Google thinks it's Michael Collins, but when you click around, it becomes clear that the image indeed pictures Boland:

http://tinyurl.com/lt3cp3l

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« Reply #161 on: July 08, 2014, 12:52:41 PM »

Wikipedia says it's more likely to be Harry Boland:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Boland

Thanks noodles_leone.  As you say it's Harry Boland.  Perhaps one day we'll find out more.

   

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« Reply #162 on: July 08, 2014, 02:12:31 PM »

You just gave the board member Harry Goldberg blue balls

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« Reply #163 on: July 09, 2014, 01:17:34 AM »

I didn't hear any moaning, so I guess the aforementioned Mr. H. Goldberg has upped and left these boards (maybe cuz he had no further benefit here after a certain someone told him he was no longer doing HG's searches for him)  Grin

So, lucky for everyone, no blue balls for Harry. Of course, he can still Tongue the jar

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« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2015, 05:07:56 PM »

I've had this book for like 6 years and finally finished reading it. If it had been adapted accurately, chances are it'd be a shitty, generic 1950's gangster movie. Thankfully, Leone & screenwriting crew only kept in the sex scenes (all the sex scenes) and some of the names and made the greatest movie of all time.

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