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« on: June 24, 2007, 11:37:49 PM »

Did the opening of the film remind you of Sam Peckinpah's direction for a split second? The closeup of Rod Steiger going to the bathroom on the ant army. If you remember, Peckinpah loved to film insects, or animals with extreme closeups. I thought of that right away when the film opened.

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 12:54:25 AM »

Uh huh:

 
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But it could be BOTH a movie reference and a personal reference. Like the opening of DYS, where Juan pisses on the ants: the image may refer to a practice in Leone's childhood (as Frayling contends) but it also HAS TO allude to the opening of The Wild Bunch as well (don't tell me Leone didn't see TWB). A single element in a creative work can carry multiple associations, and there is no reason to fix on one to the exclusion of others.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 01:33:35 AM »

Or course. A little Peckinpah parody.  Grin
Our Sergio was evil.  Evil

I wonder what Sam said about DYS? Nothing?

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 03:30:07 AM »

Peckinpah never referred to films made during the years he was active. Except films he started and was fired of or was so supposed to do (like THE CINCINNATI KID, 'a shit film' he called it. His version would have been a rather dark b/w movie about the depression depression).

During the time GIU LA TESTA was made/released, Peckinpah had his most active period and didn't go to the movies, as far as I know through my researches. He basically worked on location far away from LA. Peckinpah didn't even comment on his own films except the 'real life surrounding' of his movie's themes, the west, politics, war, human condition...
He thought his films speak for themselves.

As far as Leone, I only know two quotes by him which come to my mind immediately: 'I like his films a lot' and 'Without A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS THE WILD BUNCH would never have been made the way it was made'. Or words to that effect.

But it is a known fact that Leone & Peckinpah liked each others work a lot and became friendly with each other. They felt they were the peak of the genre at that time. Which they were. And more.

Yes, I took that as a hommage too. Would be a strange coincindence. Peckinpah lit up them ants, Leone pisses the fire out. Wink




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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 04:06:22 AM »

I just checked the archive. I have an on-camera interview where Leone states that when they were boys back in the 30's they used to do that in the streets of Trastevere/Roma. ('washing' ants off of walls).
So it might be a coincidence after all. We'll never find out for sure.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 04:37:49 AM »

So they weren't enemies?  Wink Good to hear. I thought they hated each other...

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 04:49:48 AM »

No they weren't. Gossip as usual. Leone asked Peckinpah whether he was interested in directing GIU LA TESTA. Peckinpah denied because a.) he was inmidst STRAW DOGS with a signed contract for JUNIOR BONNER which he shot only 2 months after STRAW DOGS wrapped. b.) he was smart enough not to work for another film maker. Two film makers on one film means trouble (minus the COEN-Brothers among others). Valerii still walks around having to tell people he shot 90% of NOBODY...

So (some) people thought Leone hated Peckinpah because he turned him down. Through bad books and documentaries like the one on the German NOBODY SE DVD those gossips are being kept alive.

Check this out too:
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=764.15

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2007, 06:47:29 AM »

Also, the way that the actual robbery of the coach (the shootout) is filmed is very much like Peckinpah, with the camera angles, use of squibs, etc. At least IMO.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2007, 08:54:26 AM »

Yeah, I had a feeling Leone homaged Sam Peckinpah a little bit here in this film. We all know that without Leone though, Peckinpah's style may have never existed. So it went both ways in that regard. You can clearly see that they at least respected eachother. I love that picture of them by the way!

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 09:11:47 AM »

Uh huh:

 

Thanks for posting that jenkins. I hope your "Uh Huh" wasn't a smartass remark. If it was, take into consideration this was the first time I seen this, so no need to get mean.  Afro

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 09:22:36 AM »

That's cool. I'm glad two see that two of the greatest directors of all time had such respect for one another.

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2007, 09:24:00 AM »

But he didn't "stole" Sam's "blood splattering in slow-down".  Wink
It's a bit laughable, when Juan shoots Ruiz, there's no blood... if Sam did it... mmmm... (we know how a Sam-like massacre looks out)  Afro
The same: Mallory is shooted three times... he wears fair clothes, but we see nothing blood...

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If Sam and Sergio had a (friendly) western duel, who would win?

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »

Leone would lead the TOP 10 and Peckinpah would finally get an Oscar...

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2007, 09:38:13 AM »

Oh, I mean a gunfight.  Wink

Sergio would stay, lookin' into the camera in extreme close-up, and concentrating...
Sam would get a machine gun and shotshotshot, or shot before the tenth step... ("it wasn't ten")
That's typical for them...  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2007, 10:08:08 AM »

Sergio took his time with gunfights while Sam went balls out right away. haha

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