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« #15 : December 05, 2003, 06:44:17 AM »

Remember: GBU in Civil War, FDM date shown in newspaper showing photo, FOD date on cemetery headstone.  One could stretch to "draw" a theory that it's the same Blondie in all three; however, I think that Leone merely wanted to initiate a tie-in, especially knowing that Clint probably wouldn't do any more films with him.  I personally think that it is NOT the same Blondie because I don't think there's any way Blondie could've spent $100, 000 over the course of his lifetime.  

He could have been ripped off by someone. Judging by the kind of people Mr. No Name hangs out with, that's quite a likely theory...

... and besides, heroes like that are always "reset" in sequels. Ever see Bond bring any of his romances from the previous movies into the next?

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« #16 : December 05, 2003, 07:50:10 AM »

Actually, Bond did carry over a babe: the gal from the casino in Dr. No (the one who was putting when he returned home) turned up in the second film (From Russia with Love) at the beginning, when she and Bond were interrupted by a call while on a picnic.

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« #17 : December 05, 2003, 09:17:23 AM »

Scattershot:

"a captain is a higher rank then a colonel"  No a captain is lower (commands a company -- at that time about 80-100 men full strength) and next there is major and then lieutenant colonel (still called colonel) and a full colonel (commands a regiments - about 1,000 men at that time.

The Navy uses different nomenclature with an Army Captain being a Lieutenant and a Army Colonel being a Captain.

There are plenty of historical inaccuracies in the movies, so it is hard to go off of those references.  Dates are best on newspapers, be it is fun to try and construct a case that it is one story.  Sort of the way that Sherlock Holmes fans construct a complete history and figure out back stories from the books that Doyle wrote.

In any case GBU would have to come first being set in the 1860s.   FFDM has to be the last in the triology.   Rail service to New Mexico and El Paso came in the mid to late 1870s.  So that sort of brackets the range.

I don't personnally think Leone really intended this to be consistant, he was dealing in myth.

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« #18 : December 05, 2003, 04:06:16 PM »

I think that machine gun that Ramon uses in AFOD is more modern than the 1870's, if I remember correctly its not a Gatling gun, he doesn't crank anything, it must use gas pressure from the rounds to advance the belt or load the chamber from a magazine (I don't recall which without a viewing).


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« #19 : December 06, 2003, 08:34:25 AM »

it's a water-filled machine gun used in world war 1...
i think.  :-\

they also didn't have shrink to fit jeans back then
but what the hell amigo it looks cool and adds to the spaghetti mystique.

 reading frayling last night .  the success of "the magnificent stranger" caused @ least 10,000 jobs to open up for italino film workers which would make leone a saint.

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« #20 : December 06, 2003, 04:09:00 PM »

I think that machine gun that Ramon uses in AFOD is more modern than the 1870's, if I remember correctly its not a Gatling gun, he doesn't crank anything, it must use gas pressure from the rounds to advance the belt or load the chamber from a magazine (I don't recall which without a viewing).

Ramon's gun looks to me like an Agar "Coffee Mill" Gun, which were indeed around during the Civil War.



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« #21 : December 06, 2003, 05:40:12 PM »

He's not cranking it though, how did those work Groggy


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« #22 : December 07, 2003, 06:06:55 AM »

He's not cranking it though, how did those work Groggy

Okay then, CJ, you got me.  Upon further review I must've confused the Agar with something else.  An Agar gun looked more like a modern day machine gun then a Gatling.  So you guys are probably right.

Go to: http://www.floridareenactorsonline.com/machinegun.htm for more information.

I think that the barrel of Ramon's machine gun looks more than a little like the Vandenberg Volley Gun, but again I'm probably off.



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« #23 : June 11, 2004, 10:09:25 AM »

joe= a money grabbing drifter who may have a hidden agenda.

monco or manco= a proffesional bounty hunter

blondie= a mysterious drifter.



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« #24 : June 11, 2004, 01:56:09 PM »

you have a little bit the same character in OUATITW, with the harmonica: no name, no past (at the end, it's true, but what past), no friend...It's not Eastwood but...


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« #25 : July 11, 2004, 08:38:33 PM »

In one of the new scenes in the extended cut of GBU, Tuco says something about having a childhood friend named Ramón when he throws a chicken in a cauldron. Although Ramón is very likely one of those three bandits since he says two other names.

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« #26 : July 13, 2004, 11:08:31 PM »

The only argument I'd have against it being the same character has already been brought up and adressed, the small issue of 100,000 dollars depleting fast enough that Eastwood would have to resort to mercenary work for much less money in fistful. Especially since he spoke of "settling down" after his planned taking in of much less in FAFDM.

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« #27 : July 14, 2004, 02:58:06 PM »

The only thing we can be sure of is that they're all played by the same actor!  There are no solid objective cross references in the films other than the clothes.  Even the names don't match.  I think SL had a vision of what a Yojimbo character would look like in a western and after the success of AFOD decided to have a play around with that character type.  The follow up dollars films could have been made without Clint Eastwood as the storys themselves do not depend on each other.  They could easily have been played by different actors wearing a different outfit in each film and we would still be lauding the genius of the films and having polls on who was the best etc etc.  The fact that Clint was in all three and wears the same outfit (albeit breifly in GBU) is, I believe, because the result in AFOD was so consistent with the original vision.  And it works; how many other outfits in movies have such iconic status.  Mario Braga appears in all three films and dies in all three.  Was he playing triplets??


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« #28 : July 15, 2004, 12:59:23 PM »

 it sort of reminds me of Antonio Banderas' character in DESPERADO & ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO.... was it the same guy? he seems to have met his girl, Carolina (Salma Hayek) in different ways in the two films. well...

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« #29 : July 25, 2004, 10:24:02 AM »

í dont think that it looks like Blondie knows Mortimer
when he sees him the first time in FAFDM, and neither when he sees him the first time in TGTBATU. So I think that van Cleef plays 2 different characters

about the poncho.. he takes it from a soldier. That could mean that every soldier had the same poncho, so it wasnt a rare thing or something.

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