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Question: Which do you prefer?
Seven Samurai (1954)   -13 (76.5%)
The Magnificent Seven (1960)   -4 (23.5%)
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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2012, 09:19:56 AM »

For me, it is Kurosawa's use of framing and camera movement. It's why I don't particularly appreciate Kurosawa's "Dreams" because gone are the wonderful circular movements (as used in the duels like Leone later emulated) and gone is the extreme framing with characters appearing out of the side of the screen as if somehow having been invisible to the other characters (as Leone would then also of course use as well).

I also love how Kurosawa builds the tension in his duels (like the one between Kyuzo and the peasant early on in Seven Samurai) with the action coming down to just one single sword movement - Leone of course just replaced the sword swipe with a gunshot.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2012, 11:35:47 AM »

For me, it is Kurosawa's use of framing and camera movement. It's why I don't particularly appreciate Kurosawa's "Dreams" because gone are the wonderful circular movements (as used in the duels like Leone later emulated) and gone is the extreme framing with characters appearing out of the side of the screen as if somehow having been invisible to the other characters (as Leone would then also of course use as well).

I also love how Kurosawa builds the tension in his duels (like the one between Kyuzo and the peasant early on in Seven Samurai) with the action coming down to just one single sword movement - Leone of course just replaced the sword swipe with a gunshot.
Excellent points.  Afro

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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2012, 03:03:43 PM »

Excellent points.  Afro
excellent observation dave  Afro

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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2012, 09:21:00 AM »

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excellent observation dave  Afro
That puts it about as well as it can be.  Afro

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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2012, 12:15:43 PM »

For me, it is Kurosawa's use of framing and camera movement. It's why I don't particularly appreciate Kurosawa's "Dreams" because gone are the wonderful circular movements (as used in the duels like Leone later emulated) and gone is the extreme framing with characters appearing out of the side of the screen as if somehow having been invisible to the other characters (as Leone would then also of course use as well).

I also love how Kurosawa builds the tension in his duels (like the one between Kyuzo and the peasant early on in Seven Samurai) with the action coming down to just one single sword movement - Leone of course just replaced the sword swipe with a gunshot.

great cinematography can't fix a movie an annoying scene. However wonderfully it's photographed, almost every scene in the first two hours of the movie is of a bunch of people crying. Crying and crying and cryinfg. Endlessly. Crying and whining. It's tough to bear.

In The Mag 7, you still definitely feel the plight of the peasants, without having to endure 2 hours of crying. I think Seven Samurai could have been made better if an hour of crying had been removed from  it.

Mag 7 is a good movie (i'd give it an 8/10); Seven Samurai was torturous to sit through

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« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2013, 11:15:00 PM »

Seven Samurai for me. The Magnificent Seven was good, but at times it all felt forced in that these characters were just remaking it, instead of putting their own stamp on it [which they did at times].
Seven Samurai = 4/5 stars
The Magnificent Seven = 3.5/5 stars

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