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« on: September 05, 2007, 01:58:41 PM »

During the first of Joe Pesci's two scenes he introduces Max, Noodles, Cock-eye and Patsy as the "four horsemen of the apocalypse" and then follows it with a mention of the Valentino film of the same name.

This, to me, always seemed out of place. Why would that bit of dialogue be there if not for it to pay homage to TFHOTA?

Maybe I'm making it a big deal but the line doesn't fit somehow. It always takes me out of the movie and get's me thinking that Leone might have liked the Rudolph Valentino movie and wanted to make a reference to it here.

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 02:08:30 PM »

During the first of Joe Pesci's two scenes he introduces Max, Noodles, Cock-eye and Patsy as the "four horsemen of the apocalypse" and then follows it with a mention of the Valentino film of the same name.

This, to me, always seemed out of place. Why would that bit of dialogue be there if not for it to pay homage to TFHOTA?

Maybe I'm making it a big deal but the line doesn't fit somehow. It always takes me out of the movie and get's me thinking that Leone might have liked the Rudolph Valentino movie and wanted to make a reference to it here.
Reasonably argued. It might just be a more direct reference to the Bible.

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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 02:11:08 PM »

no its a reference to the movies. If my memory serves me right, Pesci refers to them as "the four horsemen of the apocalypse" and then goes on to say "have you seen that movie? its a good movie" or something long those lines

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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 02:13:40 PM »

Reasonably argued. It might just be a more direct reference to the Bible.


As Atlas already stated this isn't the case.

Although I don't see how Pesci's character could compare the four men to the Bible story or the movie.
What resemblance do they have besides their number?

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 02:15:42 PM »

no its a reference to the movies. If my memory serves me right, Pesci refers to them as "the four horsemen of the apocalypse" and then goes on to say "have you seen that movie? its a good movie" or something long those lines

Don't remember that, but I have it on dvd, so I'll go check.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 02:19:23 PM »

Don't remember that, but I have it on dvd, so I'll go check.
no need for that

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d6qV4pnt5p0

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 02:35:22 PM »

Thanks, but too late. Anyways, you're right. Now I figure it's just Leone reminding himself where he began the better part of his career (unless you consider The Colossus of Rhodes).

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 05:15:46 PM »

Not sure.  I've never seen FHOTA.  I've seen scenes in the remake.  I always thought that it was just a reference to a film that he admired.  For me, it kind of made the Minaldi character a little more real because we see so little of him.  The looming shadow character.....  He's a thug and likes movies  Smiley.

I read the synopsis of FHOTA and can see why a film about the devastation of WWI would appeal to Leone since he lived through the same with WWII.  As mentioned, I would imagine that Valentino was extremely popular in Italy during his youth.   

Maybe stretching it....there's a common idea about fate between the two films. 

I guess in FHOTA, there are stories of two characters returning to their native countries.  In OUATIA, it's the other side, the theme of the immigrant experience in America and being separated from the homeland. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 05:29:28 PM »

I made a mistake. I thought this was refering to the Spaghetti Western. My bad. Grin. Was the silent supposed to be any good?

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 05:50:51 PM »

I've never seen it.  From some of the things I've read, it's supposed to be a very good silent film technically.  In a couple of places I read the opinion that it was a shame the film is associated most with the Valentino tango scene which occurs fairly early in the film, because there's a lot to admire throughout.  It has my curiosity.  Turner Classic Movies runs silents on a particular night, I'll have to look out for it..... or just rent it to check out.

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