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« #210 : October 09, 2016, 11:40:14 AM »

That's strange. Penn was one of the most talented of the directors who reformed Hollywood in the 60s and early 70s. He was a far better director than most of the others (Lumet, Altman, Schaffner, Jewison), and he made some unique films, also stylistically. Especially LBM, which is his best film together with Bonnie and Clyde and, yes, Night Moves (which is different, less obvious brilliant).
Though, he should have achieved more with his talent, but there is wonderful stuff in all of his early films, stuff of the kind I don't find in any Lumet film.
Nothing you say here is remotely true. BS, BS, BS.



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« #211 : October 09, 2016, 12:03:19 PM »

Nothing you say here is remotely true. BS, BS, BS.

We can discuss how important his films now (they were very important back then), but there is doubtless incredible stuff in all his films. In The Left Handed Gun, in The Miracle Worker, in Mickey One, in Alice's Restaurant, even in The Missouri Breaks.

And you won't say that Schaffner or Jewison did any real great stuff.


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« #212 : October 09, 2016, 12:22:45 PM »

Your list included Lumet and Altman. Are you taking those back now?

Mickey One and The Missouri Breaks are, I'll admit, films I can re-watch. But neither is anywhere comparable to Prince of the City or The Long Goodbye.



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« #213 : October 09, 2016, 12:43:46 PM »

Your list included Lumet and Altman. Are you taking those back now?

Not compared to Penn. I like Lumet, but none of his films is better than 8/10. Altman is different, but most of his film don't give me that much in regard of style. Altman is a bit tricky for me.
But I love The Long Goodbye, as much as I love Night Moves. Both were not that great for me when I first watched them, I had trouble to get into them, but bot grew every time I returned to them, there was so much to discover, and they still get better with every re-watch.
Altman is good and always worth a look, Lumet is a bit pedestrian, respectable, but without the real punch.

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Mickey One and The Missouri Breaks are, I'll admit, films I can re-watch.

With which you will say that these are Penn's best films for you? Don't make me nervous ...


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« #214 : October 09, 2016, 01:34:15 PM »

Altman is good and always worth a look
I wouldn't say so. He has a handful of good-to-great films (MASH, McCabe, TLG), a lot of just-OK films (Nashville, Buffalo Bill, Vincent and Theo, The Player, Gosford Park) and some really horrendous ones (Brewster McCloud, Quintet, HealtH, Ready to Wear).  He's all over the place. But his really good ones are better than just about anyone else's in the period. By contrast, Penn never made even one great film. Not one. TLG is better than the entirety of Penn's career.



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« #215 : October 09, 2016, 03:28:15 PM »

As a thought experiment, let's quickly compile the 50 best English-language films of the 70s. Here they are:
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Apocalypse Now
Badlands
Bang the Drum Slowly
Barry Lyndon
A Bridge Too Far
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Charley Varrick
Chinatown
A Clockwork Orange
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Conversation
Day of the Locust
Days of Heaven
Dog Day Afternoon
Duck, You Sucker
Five Easy Pieces
The French Connection
The Friends of Eddie Coyle
The Front
The Godfather 1 and 2
Hickey and Boggs
Jaws
Kelly’s Heroes
The Killing of a Chinese Bookie
The Laughing Policeman
The Last Detail
Lenny
The Long Goodbye
M*A*S*H
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Nashville
New York, New York
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Panic in Needle Park
Patton
Paper Moon
The Passenger
Papillon
Play It Again, Sam
Serpico
The Seven-Ups
Sunday, Bloody Sunday
Slaughterhouse 5
Straw Dogs
The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3
Taxi Driver
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Two Lane Blacktop
The Wind and the Lion

Notice, there is not a single Arthur Penn film on the list. Not one! And there's no way to fit one on, because nothing in his 70s work is worthy of a Top 50 spot. (He might do better on a 60s list, though). Truly, a mediocre talent.



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« #216 : October 10, 2016, 04:43:03 AM »

Great, I will come back to this when I have more time.

Notice, there is not a single Arthur Penn film on the list. Not one! And there's no way to fit one on, because nothing in his 70s work is worthy of a Top 50 spot. (He might do better on a 60s list, though). Truly, a mediocre talent.

But now that you let your pants down I think you urgently need new underwear ;), cause having not one Penn film on the list is surely not its only flaw. But then, half of them would make my list too. Of course, and that's not a big surprise.
On the other hand some of them wouldn't make a top 500 of mine.

If Penn is mediocre, than you don't think much of Bonnie and Clyde either? Or is the 60s Penn not that mediocre. Bonnie and Clyde is at least still an acknowledged masterpiece (which does not mean that one can't find it mediocre).

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« #217 : October 10, 2016, 05:53:34 AM »

THE LAST PICTURE SHOW has to be on any list of best films of the 70's.


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« #218 : October 10, 2016, 07:10:28 AM »

THE LAST PICTURE SHOW has to be on any list of best films of the 70's.
OK, then lets do "70 from the 70s", my list of Top 70 films from my favorite decade:
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All That Jazz
Apocalypse Now
Badlands
Bang the Drum Slowly
Barry Lyndon
A Bridge Too Far
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia
Busting
Charley Varrick
Chinatown
A Clockwork Orange
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
The Conversation
Daisy Miller
Day of the Locust
Days of Heaven
Deliverance
Dirty Harry
Dog Day Afternoon
Duck, You Sucker
The Duellists
Emperor of the North Pole
Farewell, My Lovely
Fat City
Five Easy Pieces
The French Connection
Frenzy
The Friends of Eddie Coyle
The Front
The Gambler
The Godfather 1 and 2
Hickey and Boggs
Jaws
Kelly’s Heroes
The Killing of a Chinese Bookie
The Laughing Policeman
The Last Detail
The Last Picture Show
Lenny
The Long Goodbye
The Man Who Would Be King
M*A*S*H
McCabe and Mrs. Miller
Monte Walsh
Nashville
New York, New York
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The Panic in Needle Park
Patton
Paper Moon
The Passenger
Papillon
Picnic at Hanging Rock
Play It Again, Sam
Providence
The Romantic Englishwoman
Serpico
The Seven-Ups
Slither
Sunday, Bloody Sunday
Slaughterhouse 5
Straw Dogs
The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3
Taxi Driver
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Tom Horn
Two Lane Blacktop
The Wind and the Lion
Still no Arthur Penn. OK, to take you out of suspense, if I did a list of 80, The Missouri Breaks would be on it. And if I went to 100, I'd probably find room for Night Moves. Little Big Man wouldn't make my Top 200.

If I were doing "60 from the 60s" Bonnie & Clyde would be there; Mickey One, also; maybe The Miracle Worker.



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« #219 : October 10, 2016, 12:04:11 PM »

Here are a few I like very much:

Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid
The Godfather Part II (Coppola)
Apocalypse Now (Coppola)
The Godfather (Coppola)
Chinatown (Polanski)
The Killing of a Chinese Bookie (Cassavetes)
A Clockwork Orange (Kubrick)
Taxi Driver (Scorsese)
Little Big Man (Penn)
The Deer Hunter (Cimino)
The Go-Between
Deliverance
Husbands
The Long Goodbye (Altman)
Sleuth
Night Moves
Junior Bonner
Eraserhead (Lynch)
Straw Dogs (Peckinpah)
Manhattan (Allen)
A Woman under the Influence (Cassavetes)
Mean Streets (Scorsese)
Zabriskie Point
Cross of Iron
Alien (Scott)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Weir)
Deep End
Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (Peckinpah)
Ulzana's Raid
Dirty Harry
Dawn of the Dead
Annie Hall (Allen)
The Conversation (Coppola) 365
Barry Lyndon (Kubrick) 502
Life of Brian
The Sting
Vanishing Point
Ryan' Daughter
The Grissom Gang


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« #220 : October 10, 2016, 04:39:53 PM »

Best Films of 1970's thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11231.0

Best Films of 1960's thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11233.0

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« #221 : October 10, 2016, 06:44:06 PM »

Here are a few I like very much:
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Thanks, I keep meaning to watch this. And having just been through a dozen Polish films I'm particularly keen now. Hmm, there's a UK blu, I may have to get a copy . . . .



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« #222 : October 10, 2016, 07:41:04 PM »

Altman is different, but most of his film don't give me that much in regard of style. Altman is a bit tricky for me.


From a purely technical perspective, Altman was outstanding.

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« #223 : October 10, 2016, 08:38:00 PM »

Wednesday 12:45 pm, TCM will be showing "A Dispatch from Reuters" (1940)
http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=est&sdate=2016-10-12
It's a movie with Edward G.Robinson playing Julius Reuter, the founder of the famed Reuters news agency.
I mention it here cuz it is a movie I saw on TCM a while back and liked very much; I gave it an 8/10. Robinson is one of my all-time favorite actors. I haven't seen the movie discussed at all on these boards, maybe no one has seen it. It's a studio-system, set-based biopic. I liked it very much. If this appeals to you, set your dvr  :)


The movie is also available on DVD-R from Warner Archive Collection (just released a few months ago).

Here is the Wikipedia page of Julius Reuter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reuter

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« #224 : November 02, 2016, 10:37:09 AM »

Filmstruck - the TCM/Criterion app is up and running

Article in NY Times today https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/arts/television/filmstruck-streaming-service-places-a-big-bet-on-cinephiles.html

The full bonus features that are on the Criterion discs will be available on Filmstruck.

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