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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2007, 04:50:31 PM »

No.
Where do you think you are, on a Sergio Leone board?

I think we are surrounded by communists. That's why people are afraid to talk.

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2007, 04:57:20 PM »

I think we are surrounded by communists. That's why people are afraid to talk.

It's the only reasonable explanation.

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2007, 05:58:09 AM »

No.
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I'll join the conversation as soon as I've read this thread. It has gotten rather long by now...

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2007, 07:09:04 AM »

Take your time.

(and be careful, the communists are around)

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2007, 07:42:33 AM »

Its just possible that they scaled down Max from a Senator to a Secretery because they forsaw that flaw.

If somebody asked me who the Secretary of say Commerce or any department for that matter was for New york State I wouldn't know his name much less what he looked like. The only reason I believe Max was exposed on TV was because of the scandal.

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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2007, 09:56:41 AM »

Yeah, Joe, you got it. The original script had Bailey as a senator, but that was too high a profile for the purposes of the plot. Making him a secretary was better, but not perfect: it's still a presidential cabinet position, subject to congressional approval, and therefore, subject to a certain amount of publicity. Maybe Noodles wouldn't have noticed, but someone else surely would have, and they would have raised a stink, then it would have become a news item, and then everyone would know. And why would Max, anticipating these very problems, allow himself to be put forward for confirmation in the first place? Why not have a mouthpiece operating as the secretary through whom Max could work? The one law that every old gangster knows is, Stay in the Background. Max's failure to follow this is a flaw in the logic of the plot.

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 10:31:14 AM »

Secretary of Commerce? Blech. Nobody knows or cares about the Secretary of Commerce unless he fucks up royal. It's one of those borderline useless cabinet positions. Cheesy

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2007, 11:49:13 AM »

The one law that every old gangster knows is, Stay in the Background. Max's failure to follow this is a flaw in the logic of the plot.

Max is megalomaniac (and "crazy"). This explains the "flaw".

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2007, 11:55:20 AM »

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Yeah, Joe, you got it. The original script had Bailey as a senator, but that was too high a profile for the purposes of the plot.
We've mentioned this somewhere already, before cj I think.

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Making him a secretary was better, but not perfect: it's still a presidential cabinet position, subject to congressional approval, and therefore, subject to a certain amount of publicity. Maybe Noodles wouldn't have noticed, but someone else surely would have, and they would have raised a stink, then it would have become a news item, and then everyone would know. And why would Max, anticipating these very problems, allow himself to be put forward for confirmation in the first place? Why not have a mouthpiece operating as the secretary through whom Max could work? The one law that every old gangster knows is, Stay in the Background. Max's failure to follow this is a flaw in the logic of the plot.
That's what I'm saying.

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2007, 11:58:23 AM »

Max is megalomaniac (and "crazy"). This explains the "flaw".
Self-explanatory items rarely explain something, they mostly lead to more questions and subjective assumptions. Like in this case.
Now it only depends which explanation sounds more probable to you.

So, although Max is clearly insane/megalomaniac, that still doesn't explain how come no-one recognized him all those years. That's a flaw.

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2007, 05:08:14 PM »

I think we're not progressing Grin

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2007, 05:14:21 PM »

I think we're not progressing Grin
You know why is so, don't you?

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2007, 05:30:42 PM »

You know why is so, don't you?

shhhhhhhht! they're around...

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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2007, 09:10:51 PM »

But then we are assuming on the other hand that Max is a famous well known notorious gangster too. He's not Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Dutch Shultz, or Legs Diamond, just a one time bootlegger that went legit on the surface once prohibition ended. New York had a lot of ex bootleggers and plenty of speakeasy owners that went legit, Toots Shore is one I remember off the top of my head and 21 is another.

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2007, 10:21:43 PM »

Yeah, but you can never go legit enough to ever serve in a president's cabinet. An ex-mobster being secretary of anything would be a scandal in itself. And in America, it's not the kind of thing you could keep secret.

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