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« #30 : September 03, 2008, 12:53:08 PM »

Didn't realize this was a thread.
Could somebody ask Banjo or Sonny to merge this thread with mine (it's a few pages back/same title).
I would myself but I'm at a public library and they don't allow me to "cut and paste" for some fuckwit reason. :(




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« #31 : November 15, 2008, 08:25:00 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTR6uA2rrNE

2nd trailer up

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« #32 : November 16, 2008, 06:01:37 AM »

Looks good enough this trailer, but I'm nevertheless sure they will again waste an Alan Moore masterpiece with a superfluous mainstream film, which buries all the brillant ideas beneath it's thirst for special efects.


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« #33 : November 16, 2008, 02:34:06 PM »

Looks good enough this trailer, but I'm nevertheless sure they will again waste an Alan Moore masterpiece with a superfluous mainstream film, which buries all the brillant ideas beneath it's thirst for special efects.

They already admitted that the ending is changed.
Not a swift move.
I'm sure many fans (the core audience) won't show now.




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« #34 : January 06, 2009, 06:06:24 PM »

Japanese trailer (shows clips of the ending... not the most swift move)

http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/watchmen-japanese-trailer




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« #35 : January 07, 2009, 02:45:25 AM »

The comic is a masterpiece, even if i don't give much for the drawings.

Most likely the film will become another disaster like all the earlier attempts to make a blockbuster out of Moore's clever constructed comics. Ok V for Vendetta is not that bad, but weak compared to the comic.


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« #36 : January 07, 2009, 11:09:37 AM »

Ok V for Vendetta is not that bad, but weak compared to the comic.

I didn't think V was bad either.

A shame they ruined League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
The opening with Connery in Africa was neat but everything else was pretty dire.




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« #37 : January 07, 2009, 11:12:47 AM »


I can't say I'm excited in anticipation to see this but it was the same for me in regards to "Iron Man" and I was pleasantly surprised by that film. Hopefully it's the same here.




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« #38 : January 07, 2009, 07:11:07 PM »

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jgoldberg/2009/01/07/watch-out-for-watchmen/
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Watch Out For ‘Watchmen’
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Last summer, Joss Whedon (yes, he’s my master now), caused a minor sensation with his Dr. Horrible’s Sing Along Blog. One of the reasons the musical comedy about a would-be super-villain’s miserable love life was so successful — other than Whedon’s pact with Satan whereby he traded his soul, his mint condition Giant Size X-Men # 1 and a lifetime supply of HoHos in exchange for mystical word-talent – was that Whedon was standing on the shoulders of Alan Moore, the author of the landmark comic book Watchmen. More than anyone else, Moore is credited with “deconstructing” the comic book super-hero, and he probably deserves that credit. Though like with all great artistic innovators, Moore had his influences in this regard. Every artist has in his background a mob of ghostly helpers bigger than the crowd of phone technicians in that Sprint Verizon commercial. For instance, Marvel Comics (where my first loyalties lie, for the record) had already broken considerable ground in humanizing its heroes long before Moore started writing. Peter Parker, after all, was a terrible dork.

Nonetheless, Moore took the genre to grand new vistas in psychology, political commentary and literature (see, for a mere taste, Eve Tushnet’s sprawling essay comparing it to Shakespeare’s Measure For Measure [link for Tushnet's essay requires you scroll down a bit to Friday, January 23rd at 12:02am -- Ed]). Watchmen is a brilliant accomplishment and deserves the bulk of its sometimes gob-smackingly good press. Though I’ll leave it to others to debate whether it belongs on Time magazine’s list of the 100 best novels since 1923 (the only graphic novel on the list). But the man’s influence on comics and Hollywood has been enormous, if not necessarily obvious to folks who don’t know who he is or only know him from the movie adaptations of V for Vendetta or From Hell. Whedon’s own Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel can easily be seen as Moore’s grandchildren.

This March, after decades of typical Hollywood rigmarole and creative argy-bargy, the film adaptation of Watchmen is finally going to hit screens and Watchmen-mania is running its course like a particular bad case of fanboy (and fangirl) St. Vitus’ Dance. I’m very excited to see it myself. But lots of people, starting with Moore himself, simply don’t believe Watchmen will work as a movie. My fingers are crossed, but I think they have the better part of the argument.

Regardless, if for no other reason than this is a new blog at the intersection of politics and Hollywood, there’s one thing that should at least be pointed out: Much of the political vision of Watchmen – and Watchmen was a deeply political piece of work – is horribly outdated today and was, in the grand scheme of things, just plain wrong when it came out. Moore intended the book to be at least in part a biting indictment of Reagan and Thatcher and the Cold War in general. He saw the book as explicitly anti-Reagan, if not necessarily anti-American (Reagan doesn’t actually appear in Watchmen).

This exposes one of the problems with Moore’s political vision: he seems to think the Cold War was a purely Reaganite phenomena that descended on America like a dark curtain thanks in part to the death of JFK. In Moore’s alternative universe Richard Nixon, a stand-in for Reagan, is serving out his fifth term as president. The title “Watchmen” is an allusion to a real JFK speech – “We are the watchmen of freedom” – that was never delivered because of the assassination, which in Moore’s alternate reality was probably masterminded by Nixon. It’s never said outright, but it’s strongly suggested that everything went wrong geopolitically after that. For example, JFK apparently wouldn’t have approved the use of superheroes in Vietnam (superheroes being something of a stand-in for nuclear weapons in this case. It’s complicated.).

But this is nonsense. Kennedy was an outright Cold War hawk who ran to Nixon’s right in 1960 on such issues as the “missile gap.” While Nixon certainly had very solid anti-Communist credentials, when he actually became president, Nixon ended the Vietnam War, recognized Communist China and ushered in an era of détente with the Soviets.

But that’s a nitpick about what may be a defensible thematic device. The real problem with Moore’s anti-Reaganite vision is that it places the blame for the omnipresent climate of fear on Reagan himself. (Apparently, Moore was unaware of, say, the Kennedy-era “duck-and-cover” ads). In the 1980s the greatest fear-mongering could be found not in Reagan’s “Morning in America” themes but in left-wing critiques like Moore’s. Films like the British “Threads“ or the watered-down American made-for-TV movie “The Day After,” were far more relentless in scaring the hell out of people than anything Reagan ever said or did. This was the deliberate tactic of the SANE Freeze crowd in and out of Hollywood, which thought it was their duty to make Americans more scared of their own government than they were of the Soviets. And the miasma of conspiratorial phobias that hangs over Watchmen’s universe is one that suggests Western governments were not only to blame for Cold War tensions, but that Western governments were actually the real villains.

This is not to say that Moore’s vision is cartoonish or even comic-bookish. It is deadly serious and he leaves many things open to diverse interpretations. Indeed, the greatest villain of the book is an idealistic, liberal-leaning, megalomaniac. But the existential angst and moral nihilism that serves as the spine of the book isn’t a product of Reaganism, but of the left’s ill-advised, ahistoric, and self-indulgent response to Reaganism. And, oh yeah: let the word go forth that Reagan’s vision proved correct barely a few years after Watchmen’s release. Meanwhile, Moore’s political vision – in part because it was so wrong – seems like 80’s kitsch today, which may be one of the reasons so many people believe the book is untranslatable to the big screen. Again, I hope the naysayers are wrong about that. I also hope the producers don’t try to cram the story into today’s left-wing critiques of the war on terror either which would, in a stroke, prove the naysayers right.
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« #39 : January 15, 2009, 02:11:40 PM »

What strikes me is that we're getting yet another superhero movie after seven/eight years of nothing but. Most are poor to mediocre, some like TDK are very good, but the point is that I'm just fucking sick of it by now. I'm not overly interested in superheroes to begin with, now I'm just plain sick of the whole concept.

This undoubtedly has something to do with the zeitgeist, but my grasp of sociology is fairly limited. I hope someone's written a sociological treatsie on the proliferation of these films, because it needs to be done if it hasn't already. It would have to be good to explain why the world needs Fantastic Four and Spider-Man 3.



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« #40 : January 15, 2009, 02:15:52 PM »

What strikes me is that we're getting yet another superhero movie after seven/eight years of nothing but. Most are poor to mediocre, some like TDK are very good, but the point is that I'm just fucking sick of it by now. I'm not overly interested in superheroes to begin with, now I'm just plain sick of the whole concept.

If it is anything like Alan Moore's comic it would be the super-hero movie to end all super hero movies.
It is "anti" everything super hero.


A shame it will fail as a faithful adaption.




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« #41 : January 15, 2009, 02:26:02 PM »

That doesn't interest me overmuch anyway. I like my film characters to be human beings and not things with extraordinary powers.



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« #42 : January 15, 2009, 02:28:01 PM »

That doesn't interest me overmuch anyway. I like my film characters to be human beings and not things with extraordinary powers.

The character's in Watchmen don't have superpowers. Well, one character does. He's basically the atomic bomb.

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« #43 : January 15, 2009, 02:29:31 PM »

Okay, my mistake.



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« #44 : February 02, 2009, 08:29:45 PM »

So whats going on for the film?

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