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« on: July 22, 2008, 03:48:15 AM »

another myth.
seen this in a number of pre 1960s HW westerns.

prime eg:
High Noon: Gary Cooper shoots the main villain(Miller) twice after Grace (perfect pussy) Kelly scratches his face.

same frame, no cross cut.


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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 05:25:50 AM »

I don't know where that came from either, it may have been more a 1950's  television convention at the time, it sure is a topic that needs a bit more investigation.

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 06:18:08 AM »

hi cj,
also saw a number of examples in a B Wesern, circa early 1950s.
don't know the name, but it starred Ward Bond, Ben Johnson and one of the baddies was James Arness.
in the end shootout, there are a number of the shooter-shootee shots.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 06:28:24 AM »

I'm pretty sure it happens with Gary Cooper and Burt Lancaster in Vera Cruz too. I haven't the foggiest idea of where this claim comes from, it's pretty absurd on the face of it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 06:34:51 AM »

It comes from film industry people who don't actually watch films . . .

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2008, 06:37:00 AM »

It comes from film industry people who don't actually watch films . . .

Was it Frayling? I believe he advances this claim in STDWD.

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 07:13:59 AM »

hi,
first time i heard was when Clint Eastwood pointed it out in an interview somewhere.

seems to me that a more likely reason that it wasn't done often, especially in TV shows, is that it would be cheaper to intercut.
the setup for such a shot would be more elaborate requiring more rehearsal and all the actors to be present.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 07:39:58 AM »

43 secs into part 2 of Film 4's Once Upon A Time Sergio Leone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GezNwumK1w

According to Frayling, a convention going back to the Hays code.  There has to be a cut between weapon and effect.


yeah, well.......
they got it wrong, didn't they.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 07:40:32 AM »

hi,
first time i heard was when Clint Eastwood pointed it out in an interview somewhere.

seems to me that a more likely reason that it wasn't done often, especially in TV shows, is that it would be cheaper to intercut.
the setup for such a shot would be more elaborate requiring more rehearsal and all the actors to be present.
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Good point. Perhaps it wasn't commonplace, but it did happen, with a reasonable degree of frequency.

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 08:10:20 AM »

Come to think of it, I think there's quite a bit of it in Ride the High Country too...

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 10:03:46 PM »

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  Most unnecessary addition to a sentence ever....but it made me chuckle.  Sounds like a rrpower post. Grin

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2008, 06:05:14 AM »

Frayling's heart is in the right place.  He's collected a lot of information and seems to be a fan of Leone but sometimes, when trying to praise Leone or show Leone's uniqueness, he produces somewhat dubious examples.  He's still my No. 1 choice for the commentary on the OUATIA Blu-ray DVD.

I think that's a fair assessment. Afro

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2008, 06:25:36 AM »

It would be nice to interview him to see what he actually ment.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 09:28:43 AM »

It would be nice to interview him to see what he actually ment.
If I remember correct, Juan Miranda has his e-mail...

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 08:31:58 AM »

I always thought that was Leone who told that... (which would not be surprizing)

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