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« #16605 : January 14, 2017, 02:10:54 PM »

How does it compare with the original Japanese film?
Its been a very long time since I've seen it, so I wouldn't be able to highlight any specifics. But I remember that I liked the original much better overall.

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« #16606 : January 14, 2017, 03:48:57 PM »

You know from the sound of it some of this same ground was covered in Shogun


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« #16607 : January 14, 2017, 04:04:41 PM »

Silence (2016) - 6/10
Here are some thoughts. No spoilers:

- It is nothing like the trailer
- As the revenue agrees with, this is stylistically Scorsese's least commercial, least accessible movie. By a long shot.
- It's an interesting turn in direction for Marty. There are glimpses of framing, cutting, and camerawork that agree with the rest of his filmography. But it feels much more mature and reliant on atmosphere than any other of his movies. I didn't notice any music, there is only a handful of full-on conversations, there were barely many sound effects at all. Purely visual, one of the quietest movies I can think of ever seeing.
- As for the visuals, it's often gorgeous. Probably his best-looking movie cinematically, and maybe the first time one of his pre-1950's movies actually looks authentic (despite n_l's original thoughts on the trailer)
- Garfield is not nearly as bad as his googly-eyed bobble-heading in the trailer suggests (and his first scene in the film) . He's not perfect, but convincing enough. Driver and Neeson are barely in it, but both pull their weight. The asians are good.
- It's not the "terrible, terrible" film that Drink says, but he never liked Marty much anyways. However .....

As far as the 6/10 goes? This. movie. is. soooooo. fucking. boring (DJ, you'll love it). It's far too long. And as drink did state correctly, very repetitive. The pace is interesting at first but then becomes maddening. By the final act it gets painful. On top of that, it's a film that's purely and heavily about religion. That's fine for who it works for, but as a pretty dead-set Atheist... it's hard to connect or give a shit.

For a majority of the movie I liked it a hell of a lot more than Last Temptation and Kundun. But by the time it was over, I may have second thoughts on that.... Silence is worth seeing once, especially for anyone who is a fan of Scorsese. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if a small group of people would consider it his greatest work - it really is unlike anything he's ever done. But I don't need to see it a second time.

it's the definition of a passion project. It seems Scorsese took no consideration toward wide appeal. It's admirable, but not rewarding for a majority of the audience


If it was half as long, it wouldn't be "terrible, terrible." But being 2:41, it's pretty unbearable. A boring 161-minute film angers me more than a boring 61-minute film.

The atheism thing shouldn't bother you: You can think about it  not as about religion, but about people having the right to practice their beliefs without government interference - it's a libertarian argument   ;) But as I mentioned, quite hypocritical and unsympathetic in this case because the Portuguese Catholic Inquisition was at that very same time doing the same torturing and forced apostasy on non-Catholics. IMO, if Marty wants to do a movie on devoted and decent Catholics, there are a lot better time periods to choose than the Portuguese Inquisition.

Your comments on the movie, I don't disagree with much. It's not the worst movie ever made. But a boring-as-hell 161-minute movie is pretty unbearable. Of all Scorsese movies that I have already seen (and I have not seen Kundun or Last Temptation), thi was most unbearable.

And it's not true at all that I am not a Marty fan. That's bullshit. I am not a FANBOY, which is different. I didn't connect personally as much as others did with TAXI DRIVER- though it is very memorable - but I loved or liked very much RAGING BULL, GOODFELLAS, THE AVIATOR, MEAN STREETS, ALICE DOESN't LIVE HERE ANYMORE, THE COLOR OF MONEY, MEAN STREETS, and THE DEPARTED. (I even loved WHO's THAT KNOCKING AT MY DOOR until I saw MEAN STREETS, which is a far better version ofbthe same material.)
I did not like NEW YORK, NEW YORK; THE KING OF COMEDY; or BRINGING OUT THE DEAD. And I hated SILENCE.
If this means I am not a Marty fan, so be it  :P

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« #16608 : January 14, 2017, 08:33:35 PM »

anyway, rr, how can you give a 6/10 to a movie that in your own words is "so fucking boring" and "far too long"? That means you were not enjoying yourself for much of the time. If you are not enjoying yourself, the movie is no good. Period. I don't want to hear any shit about deference to Marty and artistry and all that crap. If a movie is not enjoyable to watch, then it is a failure. 6/10 is not a good rating, but a failure deserves lower than that. This piece of crap gets no higher than a 2/10 in my book


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« #16609 : January 14, 2017, 09:40:40 PM »

Dredd (2012) 7/10. I missed this in theaters, and so missed seeing it in 3D. I was going to miss it on blu-ray also, until web chatter convinced me it was worth a look. Turns out, it’s worth several. The story is suspiciously close to the one in The Raid: Redemption (2011), but that, apparently, is not the fault of Dredd—although TR:R was released first, the internet informs me that Dredd was written first, and TR:R is the copy. Whatever. The basic premise—a hero must navigate the inside of a skyscraper in which every hand is turned against him—is a Kirby concept that goes back at least to Mister Miracle #3 and #4 (1971). I didn’t enjoy The Raid: Redemption all that much—the fighting was good, but visually the film was nowhere. Part of the problem was that since it was set in a slum building, the murky lighting made the action difficult to see. There’s no such problem with Dredd—in the future, decaying apartment buildings are very well lit. Not only that, because there are things in use like an illicit drug called “slo-mo” the filmmakers have license to present certain scenes in, you know, slo-mo. And, wow. You will believe that blood sqibs can be abstract art. Throughout the movie, great attention has been paid to the look of everything. There are a number of Leonesque shots using close-ups or big heads placed to the side of the frame—unusual for a film composed for 3D. There is CGI, of course, but not as much as you’d expect—some fx were achieved with nothing more than compressed air and a very fast camera. All in all, the film is visually sumptuous; this is the first time I can remember when, having seen a film flat, I was immediately curious to see it in 3D.
 
The solid plot unspools at a terrific clip—it’s all over in 95 minutes. Performances are good: Karl Urban’s chin as Judge Dredd (the Judge NEVER removes his helmet), and a nicely scarred Lena Headey as the top baddie (her final gambit, making her interrupted heartbeat the trigger for a conflagration, is also a Kirby concept—from Uncanny X-Men #9 (1965)). Then there is Olivia Thirlby, who plays a rookie cop partnered with Dredd for her Training Day. Entering danger without her helmet, she is cautioned by Dredd. She replies that her helmet  interferes with her telepathic powers (she’s a mutant). That gives the actress an excuse to show her lovely face for the rest of the film. It also gives Dredd an opening for a dead-pan quip. There are a lot of those—but also one hellacious body count—in this very entertaining film.
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« #16610 : January 14, 2017, 09:51:52 PM »

Vous n'avez encore rien vu / You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet (2012) - 8/10. Alain Resnais finds a very interesting way to adapt a play by Jean Anouilh. With Mathieu Amalric as "Mathieu Amalric," Pierre Arditi as "Pierre Arditi," Sabine Azéma as "Sabine Azéma"... that sort of thing. Who will be the first to say meta-theater? Inventive and enjoyable.




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« #16611 : January 15, 2017, 02:45:31 AM »

The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960) 7.5/10
After a slow, repetitive and somewhat corny start, the film gets really better. Great fast paced dialogues, cool characters that are brought to life by very good performances and gorgeous cinematography. I really don't care about the numerous plot holes: it's a wonderful script. I like how the subplots are tied together and the way everything is (un)resolved.

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« #16612 : January 15, 2017, 03:14:44 AM »

Dredd 8/10

I easily agree. A pleasure to watch.

The Apartment 7/10

I agree also. Nice, but overrated film, and of course overlong, like nearly every Wilder film.

Silence (not always golden) ?/10

If it is boring as hell it shouldn't get more than 2/10 on the entertainometer, even if it shows some craftsmanship.





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« #16613 : January 15, 2017, 06:55:33 AM »

The Apartment 7/10

I agree also. Nice, but overrated film, and of course overlong, like nearly every Wilder film.


Wilder films are overlong, and I was very worried when I saw the film was still gonna last 45min at a point when I thought we were 5 to 10 minutes from the ending... but it worked.

Silence (not always golden) ?/10

If it is boring as hell it shouldn't get more than 2/10 on the entertainometer, even if it shows some craftsmanship.


THE RATING OF A FILM LIKE SILENCE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENTERTAINOMETER. Being bored may say a lot about the box office flop a movie is going to be, but it often says nothing about the actual value of it.


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« #16614 : January 15, 2017, 08:32:45 AM »

The Apartment (Billy Wilder, 1960) 7.5/10
I like how the subplots are tied together and the way everything is (un)resolved.
A little too pat for me. More like a filmed drama than cinema.



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« #16615 : January 15, 2017, 09:07:24 AM »


THE RATING OF A FILM LIKE SILENCE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENTERTAINOMETER. Being bored may say a lot about the box office flop a movie is going to be, but it often says nothing about the actual value of it.

"Entertainment" does not have to mean action or exploitation or sex or funny lines or laughs. It's the simple issue of "Are you enjoying watching this?" If you are miserable and tearing your hair out and screaming at the screen, "Just be over already," then a movie is a failure. Both as entertainment and as art. And it deserves a low rating.


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« #16616 : January 15, 2017, 09:33:32 AM »

Wilder films are overlong, and I was very worried when I saw the film was still gonna last 45min at a point when I thought we were 5 to 10 minutes from the ending... but it worked.

THE RATING OF A FILM LIKE SILENCE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ENTERTAINOMETER. Being bored may say a lot about the box office flop a movie is going to be, but it often says nothing about the actual value of it.

No it says nothing about how a film works at the box office, but how I enjoy a film. And my enjoyment is the main value after which I rate films. Cause all my ratings are of course very subjective (like actually every other rating also imo)

But what bores me and what entertains me has a lot to do how a film is directed, how the narrative works. Interesting characters in interesting stories are of course also important, but if there isn't something more in a film, it is never more than a 8.

So if Silence is boring as hell I would give it a 2 maybe even a 3, but only if I'm still able to see still some other qualities in it. But mostly boring films are poorly made.


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« #16617 : January 15, 2017, 11:17:03 AM »

No. The two of you.

Of course, also, Drink was really talking (for Silence) about having virtually no interest in the characters and their repetitive actions, which deserves a bad rating... but would say that in that case, boredom is just a symptom, not an evidence. Of course if you're "miserable and tearing your hair out and screaming at the screen", it's probably a terrible movie. But I really don't mind being a little bored here and there as long as it's for good reasons (a pinch of ambiguity, a weird scene/subplot that a Marvel script doctor would have cut out but that actually flesh out the characters a lot and show you the real heart of the movie...).

Stanton, I think we've talked about this previously. I have no problem admitting that every single Kubrick film, many (good) Hitchcock ones and even most Leone ones get me bored at some point. I really don't mind as it's often the price to pay for greatness. Now, as a director/editor, I'll do my best to avoid anything boring in my films, but that's mostly a marketing issue to me: there are so much MORE things about movies that "is it entertaining?".

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« #16618 : January 15, 2017, 12:01:03 PM »

No. The two of you.

Of course, also, Drink was really talking (for Silence) about having virtually no interest in the characters and their repetitive actions, which deserves a bad rating... but would say that in that case, boredom is just a symptom, not an evidence. Of course if you're "miserable and tearing your hair out and screaming at the screen", it's probably a terrible movie. But I really don't mind being a little bored here and there as long as it's for good reasons (a pinch of ambiguity, a weird scene/subplot that a Marvel script doctor would have cut out but that actually flesh out the characters a lot and show you the real heart of the movie...).

Stanton, I think we've talked about this previously. I have no problem admitting that every single Kubrick film, many (good) Hitchcock ones and even most Leone ones get me bored at some point. I really don't mind as it's often the price to pay for greatness. Now, as a director/editor, I'll do my best to avoid anything boring in my films, but that's mostly a marketing issue to me: there are so much MORE things about movies that "is it entertaining?".

Blaise Pascal approves.

I am not talking about being bored for a few minutes here or there. I am talking about not enjoying the film at all. Being miserable for 160 minutes at the film's existence. Hell, for much of that time, I was miserable for my own existence.

I'm not even breaking it down by whether there are interesting characters or whatever. If I do not enjoy watching a film, then as far as I am concerned it is a failure.

Great entertainment does not equal great art, but without entertainment a movie cannot be great art. Entertainment is a necessary but not sufficient factor in a movie being great art. Often, it's circular: The very fact that it is great art is what makes the movie entertaining. But bottom line is that if I do not enjoy watching a movie, then as far as I am concerned it is crap. And I give no deference to whether it's Scorsese who directed the movie or anyone else. There are no good and bad directors, only good and bad movies  :P

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« #16619 : January 15, 2017, 12:04:23 PM »

That's exactly why I said no :D


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